Zen_Hydra
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Apr 25, 2017 3:26:43 GMT
Y'all a bunch of triflin' ass cheaters. There are no substitutions. Answer the question, as asked.
Pick a sword. Not a spear. Not a canteen. A sword.
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Post by Verity on Apr 25, 2017 4:00:12 GMT
Y'all a bunch of triflin' ass cheaters. There are no substitutions. Answer the question, as asked. Pick a sword. Not a spear. Not a canteen. A sword. Ok. If I HAVE to pick a sword AND one I own... I choose the saber of d'uathg'aul...simply because it is bloody indestructible I think...
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Post by Rabel Dusk on Apr 25, 2017 5:26:17 GMT
If I'm choosing something I have to hand, I'd take my ATrim Tactical Cuttoe. It's light, tough, and effective. Micarta slabs on the grip. 22 inch backsword blade.
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Ifrit
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Post by Ifrit on Apr 25, 2017 5:51:19 GMT
Y'all a bunch of triflin' ass cheaters. There are no substitutions. Answer the question, as asked. Pick a sword. Not a spear. Not a canteen. A sword. What about two swords? Since we're prolly defending against regular humans, I would prefer to have two swords if in a duel or battle type situation. I prefer a duel sword style if in melee combat. One sword just feels inadequate
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Post by Croccifixio on Apr 25, 2017 5:59:23 GMT
So this is purely for combat right? As I understood it at least.
So I'd want length, wearability, the ability to defeat other swords (I assume that's what I'll be going up against in this weird breakdown of civilization), and low maintenance.
I might actually go for my French 1882 Infantry Officer's. It's supremely light and quick, stabby, and low maintenance.
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LeMal
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Post by LeMal on Apr 25, 2017 13:13:41 GMT
A simple messer, blade about in the 20-28" range.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Apr 25, 2017 13:51:03 GMT
Only very view arming swords and no rapier until now. Dual weapon is an idea I had too, but I thought one can use the knife/axe/machete from the "tool section" or the walking staff "Gandalf style". Or a buckler?
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Post by bluetrain on Apr 26, 2017 16:05:47 GMT
No, I think there is an equal tendency for humans to band together in times of need. You can't circle the wagons with just one wagon. The West wasn't built by everyone fighting one another. (The army did most of the fighting but let's pretend that it was the cowboys with their Winchesters). After 9/11 people didn't flee New York, beyond just going home that evening same as they always did. Instead, people actually went to New York to see what they could do to help.
In short, although we may be invaded or more likely, invade someone else, civilization never breaks down. Even after an invasion and occupation, mostly the same police are there and all the same civil laws will still apply. They might even be better enforced, although tax laws will change. There may be lapses in public order as has frequently happened in my lifetime but nothing that I would call a breakdown in social order.
For those and for other reasons, then, my choice of a sword would be....
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Post by Cosmoline on Apr 26, 2017 16:24:26 GMT
It's probably more accurate to say that while civilization breaks down, all social order doesn't necessarily break down with it. It just reverts to something smaller and more manageable. Look at Rome's collapse in Britain. The more complex lifestyle they had brought was abandoned in favor of something closer to an earlier iron age life. But life did go on.
The problem with the modern world is that, unlike say Europe in the 14th century, food and essentials are produced on a just-in-time basis by a tiny percentage of the total population. If this complex, delicate distribution framework is shut down we have only a few days of food even in the USA before starvation starts to become a threat. And then you see the social order start to break down. There are no huge warehouses of food in most places. And local truck farm production is nowhere near sufficient to feed everyone in most places. There is a strong argument that if we faced a global shut-down of industrial distribution, being able to simply flee to a secret place away from the cities would be very useful. But you'd have to be able to survive until things settled down and, put bluntly, starvation had claimed most people. Not a pretty situation.
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Ifrit
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Post by Ifrit on Apr 26, 2017 16:32:34 GMT
Pretty sure people would turn to burglary and bandit like groups before starving.
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Post by Verity on Apr 26, 2017 16:41:32 GMT
The book "one second after" is a great one on this topic.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Apr 26, 2017 17:07:44 GMT
I had in mind the tv series "Revolution", where nanites stop all electricity, a bit like after an EMP. After ca. 15 years they had a recreation of a 18/19th century civilisation with some modern relics. They still had some guns, but not all, so they had d-guard saber-machetes (hello CS Cutlass Machete!) and crossbows too.
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Post by Verity on Apr 26, 2017 17:19:45 GMT
One Second After covers the year spanning from one second after an EMP knocks out all U.S. electronics and goes to the one year mark.
The main character is a university professor in a small town with a diabetic daughter.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Apr 26, 2017 18:26:52 GMT
I looked it up (EMP). I like good stories about the recreation of a society after a breakdown. Often the first season of a tv series does this very well, f.e. Revolution, Battlestar Galactica, The Walking Dead. Later the scriptwriters etc. unfortunately think they have to add more psychos and strange events to keep the tension.
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Post by Elrikk on Apr 26, 2017 18:37:07 GMT
Y'all a bunch of triflin' ass cheaters. There are no substitutions. Answer the question, as asked. Pick a sword. Not a spear. Not a canteen. A sword. Ok. If I HAVE to pick a sword AND one I own... I choose the saber of d'uathg'aul...simply because it is bloody indestructible I think... Pics?
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Post by Verity on Apr 26, 2017 18:58:33 GMT
Is in my collection thread but. Saber pictured here:
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Post by Cosmoline on Apr 26, 2017 19:00:17 GMT
Pretty sure people would turn to burglary and bandit like groups before starving. No doubt at all, which is why it would be good to leave. If you defend a homestead, it will just reinforce the idea that you must have food. Ultimately the math wins of course. Food production, without the support of a vast and complex web of industrial systems from seed manufacture and fertilizer to harvest and distribution, will only be able to feed a fraction of what it had. Thus my focus on the spear and dagger because they're much more useful in the wilds. OK, if I HAVE to pick a sword, I'd go with the Yeoman and custom leather buckler. It's a combination I train with several times a week so if I *had* to get in a sword fight using a sword, it's what I'd use.
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Post by Lukas MG (chenessfan) on Apr 26, 2017 19:03:03 GMT
At the moment, I'm strongly considering putting my French 1845 infantry sabre as my first pick. Stiff, robust cut-and-thrust blade, excellent handling and intended to be used alone (unlike a medieval arming sword for example). Quite handy to carry around, at least compared to a longsword. Another option my be the Messer I'm working on. It doesn't offer as much hand protection as the sabre but fills a similar role. Convenient side-arm with a good martial art system around it.
As a weapon, a full-size longsword is better but they are not exactly the easiest thing to carry.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Apr 26, 2017 19:18:23 GMT
Cosmoline: That's a very good reason to choose a weapon! Lukas: Messer, Hauswehr etc. were used in a situation not far away from my premise. Even my Tac Kat is more like a messer than like a katana. I still have no saber. The nearest is the cutlass machete, my Plan B. Even a CS saber will give me a yet unknown experience of distal taper.
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Ifrit
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Post by Ifrit on Apr 26, 2017 20:47:13 GMT
My katana with the complex hilt (Ronin RK) would be an excellent choice for me if it weren't for the fact that I just don't consider a DH blade to be the most reliable, plus the Ito doesn't alternate so I can see it undoing after lots of use. Plus sharpening it would be a b*tch. I see that as a highly specialized weapon for duelling rather than an EDC.
If two of my sword sheaths are attached to each other, is that an excuse to have two? Lol. I decided I loved my GSOW again after holding it send having my tactics arming sword for one handed use or as a quick draw would be nifty.
If no, it's a big toss up between my 1895 Spanish sabre and my dojo pro
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