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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Apr 24, 2017 15:43:17 GMT
My premise was that you already have surviving and hunting tools but see a need to carry a dedicated fighting sword. Weight matters a bit, but if you want to carry a 4 lb greatsword (strider/ranger) instead of a 2 lb saber/arming sword, no problemo. You probably will not encounter knights in full plate or mail, but perhaps a bigger blade is usefull against multible attackers or animals. A spear isn't a bad idea too, but I think I soon would make myself a walking staff, perhaps with a hardened tip or a knife attached.
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Post by Verity on Apr 24, 2017 15:57:59 GMT
I think it depends on whether you are talking about short excursions with a base camp or actually bugging out and on the move with only what you can carry.
In the latter case, those who laugh about the ounces will cry over the pounds...
I've done hikes in a standard infantry loadout and it is a killer. Let alone adding another 2-4lb for a sword.
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Post by seriouslee on Apr 24, 2017 16:15:51 GMT
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Post by Ifrit on Apr 24, 2017 19:49:30 GMT
I would have to go with my Spanish 1895 sabre . It's the most modern design and many things about it just seem practical. That and a bayonet, so I can make a spear from it. But if I'm limited to one bladed weapon, it's gotta be my condor kukri machete. If I time myself, it's more than capable of striking a fatal blow and it has many useful survival uses too
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Apr 24, 2017 20:46:07 GMT
I would take a palasz or sabre. They should be sufficiently effective until neo-feudalism brings plate armour back 'round again.
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Post by Cosmoline on Apr 24, 2017 21:37:01 GMT
I'd skip my swords in favor of my 6' counterweighted spear and my mini-messer. My swords are great for sword fighting, but they can't match the range of options a spear and knife offer in a survival situation. I can still out-fight most swords with the spear, and also dispatch some game, spear fish, and so on.
Plus there's the issue of carrying stuff. The little hauswhere messer fits easily on a belt or backpack, and I've already hiked with my spear many times. In contrast even my comparatively light Yeoman sword is a nuisance to carry long distances, esp. with a buckler bouncing next to it. The hauswhere will butcher any game with ease, and is tough as a nail. It can also be used in a fight using messer or dagger techniques.
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Post by pgandy on Apr 24, 2017 22:32:44 GMT
I'd skip my swords in favor of my 6' counterweighted spear and my mini-messer. My swords are great for sword fighting, but they can't match the range of options a spear and knife offer in a survival situation. I can still out-fight most swords with the spear, and also dispatch some game, spear fish, and so on. Plus there's the issue of carrying stuff. The little hauswhere messer fits easily on a belt or backpack, and I've already hiked with my spear many times. In contrast even my comparatively light Yeoman sword is a nuisance to carry long distances, esp. with a buckler bouncing next to it. The hauswhere will butcher any game with ease, and is tough as a nail. It can also be used in a fight using messer or dagger techniques. I'll buy that, not necessarily the hauswhere messer but something similar and most definitely a spear.
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Post by howler on Apr 24, 2017 22:46:53 GMT
Yes, I considered the Hanwei Tac Wak (more a ko katana - hello howler! ( drink)) , but I don't have one and the Tac Kat isn't much longer. Yup...gulp...Chenese specialized blade ko katana, it is the same weight as a regular katana, so as to more adequately stop a dude with a firearm in a single blow. Arm off, head off, face off, etc... I must say, however, that on the go, I'd probably pick a spear tip (like the Cold Steel Bushman) that can be used as a knife, then I can fashion shafts along the way as needed. Weight is a killer if your hoofing it.
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Post by Ifrit on Apr 24, 2017 22:58:45 GMT
I'd skip my swords in favor of my 6' counterweighted spear and my mini-messer. My swords are great for sword fighting, but they can't match the range of options a spear and knife offer in a survival situation. I can still out-fight most swords with the spear, and also dispatch some game, spear fish, and so on. Plus there's the issue of carrying stuff. The little hauswhere messer fits easily on a belt or backpack, and I've already hiked with my spear many times. In contrast even my comparatively light Yeoman sword is a nuisance to carry long distances, esp. with a buckler bouncing next to it. The hauswhere will butcher any game with ease, and is tough as a nail. It can also be used in a fight using messer or dagger techniques. I agree with you. I ain't got a spear tho, so gonna have to make do with a sword until I can make my bayonet into a spear
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Post by Verity on Apr 24, 2017 23:04:45 GMT
I'd skip my swords in favor of my 6' counterweighted spear and my mini-messer. My swords are great for sword fighting, but they can't match the range of options a spear and knife offer in a survival situation. I can still out-fight most swords with the spear, and also dispatch some game, spear fish, and so on. Plus there's the issue of carrying stuff. The little hauswhere messer fits easily on a belt or backpack, and I've already hiked with my spear many times. In contrast even my comparatively light Yeoman sword is a nuisance to carry long distances, esp. with a buckler bouncing next to it. The hauswhere will butcher any game with ease, and is tough as a nail. It can also be used in a fight using messer or dagger techniques. I agree with you. I ain't got a spear tho, so gonna have to make do with a sword until I can make my bayonet into a spear Funny you should mention that. I'm working on a telescopic rod design that uses standard AR lug to make a spear.
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Post by Ifrit on Apr 24, 2017 23:11:14 GMT
I agree with you. I ain't got a spear tho, so gonna have to make do with a sword until I can make my bayonet into a spear Funny you should mention that. I'm working on a telescopic rod design that uses standard AR lug to make a spear. Feel free to tell me more about that. I was literally about to make a thread asking people if they had any clever ideas on how to make a spear from a 1905 bayonet
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Post by Verity on Apr 24, 2017 23:17:27 GMT
Funny you should mention that. I'm working on a telescopic rod design that uses standard AR lug to make a spear. Feel free to tell me more about that. I was literally about to make a thread asking people if they had any clever ideas on how to make a spear from a 1905 bayonet PM sent.
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Post by bluetrain on Apr 24, 2017 23:30:14 GMT
If you're the perfect homesteader, then you have to be prepared to deal with everyone else in this thread who are coming out to see you. Of course, nobody's perfect.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 23:33:19 GMT
Because it is a magic spadroon. Since I can add those extra pounds, I'd pack the magic blond as well.
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Post by vermithrax on Apr 24, 2017 23:54:14 GMT
I think many are thinking about this civilization breakdown angle all wrong.
I think if it all comes down, one will get further ahead and make better relationships by reaching out to our fellow man instead of starting from a default of violence and defensiveness.
It takes a village to raise one child, 1! How may will it take to rebuild a stable small community? Think about that.
Instead of swinging steel or firing bullets, maybe a canteen of water as a peace offer and a hand shake would allow a proper understanding by the parties about the new situation. My father told me never lash out in anger or fear, unless you are sure you can get away with it. I took it to heart. I live by that.
You see, if someone is after your gear or supplies it is because society made him want to do that. But don't you see? If society has collapsed that motivation is gone! Presto! I believe man will default to his more native, gentle nature should our system break down. You can always make an enemy, but how about a new friend? They may even have batteries.
In close, I enjoy this thread as I am seeing all kinds of cool swords, but I do hope that some inner reflection can come from this line of thinking. To know your fellow man, you must first know yourself.
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Post by vermithrax on Apr 25, 2017 1:20:45 GMT
I think many are thinking about this civilization breakdown angle all wrong. I think if it all comes down, one will get further ahead and make better relationships by reaching out to our fellow man instead of starting from a default of violence and defensiveness. It takes a village to raise one child, 1! How may will it take to rebuild a stable small community? Think about that. Instead of swinging steel or firing bullets, maybe a canteen of water as a peace offer and a hand shake would allow a proper understanding by the parties about the new situation. My father told me never lash out in anger or fear, unless you are sure you can get away with it. I took it to heart. I live by that. You see, if someone is after your gear or supplies it is because society made him want to do that. But don't you see? If society has collapsed that motivation is gone! Presto! I believe man will default to his more native, gentle nature should our system break down. You can always make an enemy, but how about a new friend? They may even have batteries. In close, I enjoy this thread as I am seeing all kinds of cool swords, but I do hope that some inner reflection can come from this line of thinking. To know your fellow man, you must first know yourself. JUST IN CASE..... this was wild sarcasm
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Post by seriouslee on Apr 25, 2017 1:22:52 GMT
When faced with devastating time frames humans tend to hunker down and circle the wagons. We are not predisposed to offering a hand in friendship beyond the toddler years when everything is provided for you. Once you have to compete or cooperate for - love or food or shelter most humans fight.
It's called 'flight or fight' and not 'fight or flight or cooperate.'
I wholeheartedly agree with you but my faith in humans is rather low at this point.
To the point of the thread, if not my cane sword (better to be looked over than looked at) then my Unokubi-Zukuri. Light and very unstable...id est it is easy to change the vector point while in movement.
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Post by Ifrit on Apr 25, 2017 1:22:57 GMT
I think many are thinking about this civilization breakdown angle all wrong. I think if it all comes down, one will get further ahead and make better relationships by reaching out to our fellow man instead of starting from a default of violence and defensiveness. It takes a village to raise one child, 1! How may will it take to rebuild a stable small community? Think about that. Instead of swinging steel or firing bullets, maybe a canteen of water as a peace offer and a hand shake would allow a proper understanding by the parties about the new situation. My father told me never lash out in anger or fear, unless you are sure you can get away with it. I took it to heart. I live by that. You see, if someone is after your gear or supplies it is because society made him want to do that. But don't you see? If society has collapsed that motivation is gone! Presto! I believe man will default to his more native, gentle nature should our system break down. You can always make an enemy, but how about a new friend? They may even have batteries. In close, I enjoy this thread as I am seeing all kinds of cool swords, but I do hope that some inner reflection can come from this line of thinking. To know your fellow man, you must first know yourself. JUST IN CASE..... this was wild sarcasm That flew right over my head lol. Thought you were serious. Though even if you were, civilization breaking down is still a wonderful reason to wear a sword, whether it's needed or not 😎
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Post by vermithrax on Apr 25, 2017 1:29:17 GMT
All, I am sorry! I am known for my wild sarcasm on things.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 3:20:38 GMT
I'll be wacky and take my XVIIIb. I've got some really nice swords, but out of everything that's arguably the highest quality. I don't know if it counts as a giant war sword, but it's certainly larger than the katana I have here. I've had a smattering of longsword, and can fill in enough blanks to put the thing to use even if I won't be a premiere longswordsman. It's good enough for this crusty old fellow, I'll make it work too. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Knight%2C_Death_and_the_Devil.jpgIt's a close call. If this particular sword weren't so great, I'd have no qualm defaulting to the kind of thing I spend most of my time training on, but ... man is it a good sword.
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