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Post by kaiyo on Jan 15, 2017 6:52:42 GMT
again - im drooling a bit and then i realize ... its DSA ... sad
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Post by nddave on Jan 17, 2017 4:07:08 GMT
Not to sound like an ass or anything because it was nice to see these swords pre-assembled, but where's the video showing the forge? We've asked to see the forge for how many years and yes it is pretty nice to see all these blanks and the apparent assembly house but again where's the video of the forge? It seems that a video of a quick walk through of the forge would just be as easy as this one.
We got eleven minutes of flex tests and seeing all the blanks on shelf waiting for assembly. We saw the tools used for sharpening and peening, even looked like there were some wood tools for making handles on those benches. Seems like even a quick three minutes of the eleven minutes showing the forge would have been appreciated and dismissed a lot of questions about where the blades are in fact made.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 6:13:13 GMT
There IS no spoon...
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Post by stormmaster on Jan 17, 2017 9:54:46 GMT
i wish there would be some ram or sheep designs, everything fantasy these days seem to be wolves, maybe because of the popularity of game of thrones.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Jan 17, 2017 11:30:55 GMT
You saw the forge, and 3 anvil.
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Post by nddave on Jan 17, 2017 13:53:34 GMT
You saw the forge, and 3 anvil. Ok then, guess we're good... The large crates in the back of the warehouse, yes that's where they store the other forging tools, and anvils... Not what all those blade blanks came in.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Jan 17, 2017 15:07:43 GMT
NDDave, might be time for a visit to the old eye doctor there my friend or stop running to the refrigerator during the two videos. People here first started complaining about the thickness of the blades so they thinned them out. Then they complained about that DSA was copying other peoples designs now they're coming up with design unlike anyone elses. So now we've seen the forge, well everyone but NDDave anyways. We've seen the tangs, we've seen them casting their own bronze fittings and forging their own blades, well except NDDave. We've seen them flex testing random blades pulled out of a pile of blades so what else do we need ? I have two DSA swords and one dagger and have no issues with any of them. I'm not into fantasy swords but I am into Wolves so I might just have to bite the bullet on one of these. Sorry NDDave for having a little fun at your expense just joking.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 16:14:11 GMT
There IS NO SPOON!!! Sorry Gunnar, i just watched it again: all i see is polishing, grinding, assembling, packing, there SEEMS to be some bronze casting, and some guy whacking on a squarish Piece of red-hot steel... sorry. Unless i see some REAL forge work like FIF (drawing out the Tang, forming a point, etc.) i will NEVER buy it - chinese blades, swords assembled in Canada. Nothing wrong with that by the way... VA does the same thing in the USA - only much better.
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Post by nddave on Jan 17, 2017 16:35:08 GMT
NDDave, might be time for a visit to the old eye doctor there my friend or stop running to the refrigerator during the two videos. People here first started complaining about the thickness of the blades so they thinned them out. Then they complained about that DSA was copying other peoples designs now they're coming up with design unlike anyone elses. So now we've seen the forge, well everyone but NDDave anyways. We've seen the tangs, we've seen them casting their own bronze fittings and forging their own blades, well except NDDave. We've seen them flex testing random blades pulled out of a pile of blades so what else do we need ? I have two DSA swords and one dagger and have no issues with any of them. I'm not into fantasy swords but I am into Wolves so I might just have to bite the bullet on one of these. Sorry NDDave for having a little fun at your expense just joking. Where's the video of the forge? Or are you talking about that video where they're hammering a cold blade on an anvil? Or do you mean this video with the shot of the three anvils and the little brick furnace in the corner? There were a lot of blades on those shelves, you think all of those were produced in that little corner? Again I think this video was a great step in the right direction for DSA to show this insides of their production lines. But the real argument people have had with DSA is if in fact their swords are forged in Canada as they claim. A simple video or footage of their forge and them working would prove this. It's the one thing they haven't shown and the the one thing people have asked for, for years. Yes we know DSA swords are durable, we know they have a full tang. We also know that their peening method isn't consistent in every model. Some are fully peened, some are nut, some are nut with a peened top. Again seeing the pre-assembled blades is a step in the right direction but what would be better is seeing them actually assembled and also them forging the blades and where they forge them. Other manufacturers like Windlass and various Chinese manufacturers do this in detail so why won't DSA? Even manufacturers and vendors who simply assemble their swords like Valiant have videos of their assembly process. It just seems DSA could've replaced at least three minutes of Eyal flex testing various blades and shown us his crew at work, forging and hilting the swords. Either or, when you post the forging video I apparently missed I guess ignore everything posted above.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Jan 17, 2017 16:54:47 GMT
WOW, I must be hallucinating or you guys are not watching the second video, A Day In The Life Of DSA. Because I see them forging, grinding, polishing and assembling swords. You can't say it was filmed in China because all I see is a bunch of big round eyed guys wearing DSA shirts. In the two videos I see two forges, one brick and one steel. Why would they have two of them if they aren't using them ? One would be enough for a dog and poney show. Would someone here who lives near DSA please go there and film them forging a blade to put this fantasy to rest.
Oh and by the way I just noticed that DSA is selling bare blades and fittings for those who want to build their own sword. And they're donating that money to an animal rescue center.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 17:21:58 GMT
"And they're donating that money to an animal rescue Center" Oh, great. That justifies everything. And yet, i see no forging in that "a day" Video... just one guy hammering on a Little, squarish red-hot Piece of metal. But if you like, them, so be it. I also used to... till i got here and read through the threads.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Jan 17, 2017 17:24:53 GMT
Can't say what I want to. Yes I have seen the video.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Jan 17, 2017 17:54:18 GMT
Holg, you liked them until you started reading threads here ? I personally like to judge people or in this case companies by what I see with my own eyes NOT by hear say. I like to get other peoples opinions but I still make up my own mind. I've also see a lot of good reviews posted on here about DSA. What about your Ryan swords, you like them but a lot of the people here don't. Are you going to change your mind on Ryan Swords too. You can only learn new thing if you look at them with an open mind.
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Post by Derzis on Jan 17, 2017 17:55:47 GMT
I am sure you guys (nndave and holg), when you go to restaurant you ask to see the kitchen before paying the bill.
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Post by nddave on Jan 17, 2017 18:18:40 GMT
WOW, I must be hallucinating or you guys are not watching the second video, A Day In The Life Of DSA. Because I see them forging, grinding, polishing and assembling swords. You can't say it was filmed in China because all I see is a bunch of big round eyed guys wearing DSA shirts. In the two videos I see two forges, one brick and one steel. Why would they have two of them if they aren't using them ? One would be enough for a dog and poney show. Would someone here who lives near DSA please go there and film them forging a blade to put this fantasy to rest. Oh and by the way I just noticed that DSA is selling bare blades and fittings for those who want to build their own sword. And they're donating that money to an animal rescue center. Ummm, day in a life of DSA was posted over a year ago and isn't a second video to this one, if anything this video is a part 2 to that one. Also look at the discussions and questions that video brought up. Questions about production times, questions about volume output and such. We've all seen production house videos like I mentioned from Windlass and the various Chinese katana forges. Hundreds of employees, multiple levels of the forge producing hundreds of swords to meet production demands. Do you really think that DSA could produce everything they sell and keep steady stock working those two forges with the limited staff seen in shot? We've also seen videos from our own BrotherBanzai where he single handedly forges, polishes and hilts his swords and the time it takes him to post updates and ect. Now of course he's only one guy but comparatively how much more is say ten to twenty DSA guys working with about the same amount of equipment going to produce the volume of output that say Windlass does with their hundred employees and larger production house? It makes no sense unless the DSA workers are working around the clock and have the skill and stamina to produce perfect blades on each attempt. Look at it this way, you have twenty construction workers building a house but there's only two hammers for them to use? How much hammering in a day can they get done? By logic only two hammers worth of work. Even if all twenty are taking turns hammering nails and putting up the frame, it still only equates to two hammers worth of work. They might as well have only two workers framing because the other eighteen are just standing around doing nothing. See the point yet and the questions the "Day in the life of DSA brought up?" Again what I've seen of the DSA warehouse looks no different than what I've seen of either Sonny's Valiant shop in Texas, MRL's in house shop in Atlanta or KoA's warehouse in Chicago. That being a shiw room, an open warehouse full of swords and shipping boxes, a few tables with power tools for sharpening and assembly and a garage door for loading shipments or receiving them.
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Post by nddave on Jan 17, 2017 18:27:03 GMT
I am sure you guys (nndave and holg), when you go to restaurant you ask to see the kitchen before paying the bill. Poor example as every restaurant has a kitchen. To be a restaurant you kinda have to have one. To be a sword vendor you don't need a forge. Hell you don't even need a forge to be a manufacturer as Valiant has proven by outsourcing the blades and assembling them themselves. But I'll tell you right now, every restaurant I've been to has had no issue showing off their kitchen or having the head chef come out and greet patrons. Can't say the same for DSA.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 18:28:10 GMT
Amen.
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Post by nddave on Jan 17, 2017 18:39:33 GMT
Holg, you liked them until you started reading threads here ? I personally like to judge people or in this case companies by what I see with my own eyes NOT by hear say. I like to get other peoples opinions but I still make up my own mind. I've also see a lot of good reviews posted on here about DSA. What about your Ryan swords, you like them but a lot of the people here don't. Are you going to change your mind on Ryan Swords too. You can only learn new thing if you look at them with an open mind. Again this has nothing to do with their swords in general. Great bad good whatever, the sword is a sword no matter where it comes from or how its manufacturered. If DSA swords are good swords has nothing to do with what me or Holg are talking about. This goes back years with DSA, way before you or even Holg joined. DSA has always claimed to forge their swords in Canada. Many here at SBG have since that claim have asked Eyal to prove it as it makes no economical sense that such an amount of swords could be produced on this side of the Pacific at the prices offered. For all those years we've been ignored and only given word of mouth assurances that they are in fact forged in Canada and not outsourced or even simply assembled in Canada by DSA like Valiant does. It's more or less an issue for standing members (who I guess really care or give a $#!+) who asked these questions years ago and still haven't been given an answer. Regardless of where they're made or how they're made DSA swords are DSA swords and will perform and be what they are regardless. Being only assembled in Canada isn't really going to do anything to the swords because again their just swords and will stand on their own merit. Not the same can be said for DSA and their reputation, which is probably why we'll never see footage of the forge or their production work. So yes the day we see actual production work done in Canada by DSA will probably the day after they release an announcement about closing their forge and outsourcing to China. India, Phillipines or wherever they've been getting swords from over the years. If you catch my drift.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 18:51:42 GMT
Still like my "next generation" Guardian - which has exactly the blade shown here, so nothing new, sorry - but THATS an overbuilt beastie for sure. Anyway, getting a "meh" feeling everytime i grab hin... for reasons just mentioned.
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Post by Derzis on Jan 17, 2017 19:04:11 GMT
I am sure you guys (nndave and holg), when you go to restaurant you ask to see the kitchen before paying the bill. Poor example as every restaurant has a kitchen. To be a restaurant you kinda have to have one. To be a sword vendor you don't need a forge. Hell you don't even need a forge to be a manufacturer as Valiant has proven by outsourcing the blades and assembling them themselves. But I'll tell you right now, every restaurant I've been to has had no issue showing off their kitchen or having the head chef come out and greet patrons. Can't say the same for DSA. You didn't get it. You enter in it (restaurant), you like or dislike the offering and you buy or not buy. You don't try to see what it has in the back or under the counter unless you are qualified inspector - and you are not. This is what you did on this topic. You liked the tang, you liked the flex but you didn't saw the forge and you are upset. And you try to convince me that all you wrote here is done for the good of DSA. The same DSA you dislike from what I can see. BS. Or Amen. Or whatever makes you tick.
PS It is their business, and will die or not based on their strategy.
PPS The sword is not my cup of tea btw, but not because is done by DSA.
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