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Post by harrybeck on Jan 17, 2017 18:20:38 GMT
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 17, 2017 19:10:54 GMT
I wouldn't, personally. You can get a good antique of that sword style for not much more, maybe even less. As a rule, I won't buy a sword for 400 dollars if it has a plastic grip.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 19:33:03 GMT
I wouldn't, personally. You can get a good antique of that sword style for not much more, maybe even less. As a rule, I won't buy a sword for 400 dollars if it has a plastic grip. It is really doubtful you will find a Bolton type with full B&G for "not much more". One may find one such with a lot of issues at that price but figure $800 for a sound example missing most of its B&G. drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B9AOFMA8y3ODX2tULW44bzV2UDA?usp=sharingThere are more common variations of eagle pommel sabres but even then, bargains on the early variations are slim. Any decent swords on Ebay are generally noticd and paid dearly for. As to the reproduction at hand, there was another Canadian site that has now disappeared, as well as his facebook page. sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/45743/anyways-napoleonic-swords-seller-ontariosbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/46889I am more impressed with this Bolton repro than a rather bad casting they are sellig for the weeper/Osborn eagle. My Bolton was my first period eagle pommel purchase and it was not cheap.
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Post by Afoo on Jan 17, 2017 19:35:48 GMT
Agreed. If anything I would get the French one - same blue and gold embellishments, but at $350. For $450 you could get an 1829 French Artillery sword, though if you are dead set on a B&G sword then this is not bad.
Should point out that EC has some B&G stuff on sale at the moment in the 300 Euro range, which works out to less than $300 USD if I recall correctly. Shipping is actually similar to what you would expect from Canada (40-50 Euro), but you have some more variety. The Artillery officer sword looks really nice.
Also note that these are in Canadian funds, so the US conversion knocks it down a bit. If you are in the states you will have to pay shipping (~40 USD), and applicable customs.
We asked the seller if these swords do infact come from Universal/WEI, but no reply. Its possible that these coud be lower-end than what KoA sells.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 17, 2017 19:37:27 GMT
I saw a few eagle head sabres/Spadroon earlier in the year go for about 4-600USD, I don't know very much about the different continental makers before the US Civil War, but they did seem to me to be actual swords and not fakeys. Then again, they didn't have a scabbard and weren't pretty blue and gilt.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 19:57:39 GMT
This one is inexcusable www.historicaltwiststore.com/images/product/05-060_02.jpgOne can see an original in my Kutlass thread sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/49877/kutlass-qualityThe repro in question is looking pretty good to me, considering there is a scabbard, cloth sack etc. The casting is very close to the original Bolton form. For costuming, decoration or reenacting, I wouldn't hesitate. Don't buy it expecting it to be a backyard cutter. Eagle questions, don't hesitate to ping me. I am not the ultimate expert of these but I collect eagles and have a very large image bank. Point me to a horn or ebony gripped sabre with the Bolton eagle and no etching and I'll fight any to the death;) It is my white whale.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 20:03:45 GMT
I saw a few eagle head sabres/Spadroon earlier in the year go for about 4-600USD, I don't know very much about the different continental makers before the US Civil War, but they did seem to me to be actual swords and not fakeys. Then again, they didn't have a scabbard and weren't pretty blue and gilt. Exactly my point, not really knowing what one is looking at. It is a bit like some generalizing about katana. The last rusty crusty of worth I bought and shown in the Kutlass thread was mid three figures and anything but pretty. Bought because it never had B&G and meant as a fighting sword.
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Post by harrybeck on Jan 17, 2017 22:23:30 GMT
Thanks everyone, the exchange rate plus their shipping Hargett made this attractive. Not having done business with them made me want to see what I could find out about them.
I haven't seen anything similar under a thousand that look to be any better than excavated condition
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Post by harrybeck on Jan 17, 2017 23:40:56 GMT
One factor is that this particular one is offered with the blue and gilt option only.
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Post by harrybeck on Jan 18, 2017 1:57:08 GMT
Hordan, check your pms
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 18, 2017 2:25:19 GMT
Oh crap, dude I'm so sorry.
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Post by harrybeck on Jan 18, 2017 2:29:52 GMT
it's ok
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Post by Afoo on Jan 24, 2017 4:40:37 GMT
Hmm - also note that this site appears to have the Universal Princess of Wales sabre for $250 CAD, or about $190 USD.
Would pay more for international shipping, but may be worth it. For us native Canucks though, its the steal of the decade. I think I am correct in saying the Princess of Wales is well regarded as being one of the best handling (and best looking in terms of fit and finish, if not personal tastes) replicas in the sub-$300 price range.
Its so great that both Bfoo2 and I have one (though regrettably we didn't get it at that low a price)
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Post by harrybeck on Jan 24, 2017 5:28:38 GMT
I have one too and really love it as well. Got mine from kult.
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Post by bfoo2 on Jan 24, 2017 6:03:49 GMT
It seems that most of the wares are from the Universal/Weaponedge catalog. Nothing wrong with that (Princess of wales! <3 ) I was talking with afoo and it seems like some of their products have subtle differences from those shown at KultofAthena (for example, their "Hungarian dress sabre" has brown grips, but the equivalent "Hungarian Cavalry sabre" from KoA has black grips). In general I trust KoA's images to be relatively up-to-date. Could be indicative that SOME products are older stock/versions? www.historicaltwiststore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=44_40&products_id=471kultofathena.com/images/USS171_2_l.jpgOf course, this statement is neither a) universal (ie might only apply to one or two items), b) conclusive (I wouldn't put money on my hunch) or c) significant/relevant (Universal products from a few years ago might look, smell and feel the same as new ones). Blue-and-gilt on reproductions seems to be a recent addition to the market, so all those must be relatively new. Just remember to do your research and examine the images closely (comparing to KoA or recent reviews if available doesn't hurt) before jumping in. Of course, this advise applies to any sword purchase... Is there a difference between "old" and "new" Universal swords? I don't have enough experience to say. However, there was the one incident with the P1897 guards...
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Post by bfoo2 on Jan 24, 2017 6:24:38 GMT
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Post by harrybeck on Jan 24, 2017 19:21:47 GMT
Wow, that's nasty. How old was the blade in the pics?
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Post by Afoo on Jan 24, 2017 19:26:51 GMT
Nasty?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 21:05:58 GMT
Wow, that's nasty. How old was the blade in the pics? Which one? I had shared the entire folder so that folk can take a look at some of the blue&gilt decoration. The Bolton type eagle pommels were late 1790s until the outbreak of the war of 1812 +-. So, all these blades are more than 200 years old. I did not expand on my opinion of the accuracy of the reproduction's character aside from my earlier response that they look pretty good. The repro b&g has a very printed/mechanical look but "pretty" in its own right. There is nothing wrong or keeping anyone from studying b&g decorated swords. The Birmingham artists were literally getting mad as hatters from the mercury and one trait common to a lot of the Bolton eagles imported by the Upson brothers of New York share this little decoration almost mocking the eagle theme with a happy dance. My example does not have the great seal routine with E PLURIBUS UNUM, in a banner but I would have hoped the reproduction would. All in all, it is the best eagle pommel reproduction I have seen yet.
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