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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 9:58:58 GMT
The armor is more intended for use against cuts and thrusts/stabs. Maybe against arrows and spears? Definitely not intended against bullets. The blunt trauma from a hammer or bullet would ofcourse be too much to ask for from a flexible armor. The flexibility and agility is the intended cure to those.
Hmmm..... maybe I have to get some things straightened out. But the armor is definitely not for bullets. Bullets are things that the maximum protection possible against them has its own huge demerits.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 10:00:01 GMT
I am thinking of a shield that goes into the back for more protection, sorry for the Captain America reference some might think of it.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Nov 12, 2016 10:17:59 GMT
You can have all kind of steel armor constructions with modern materials: Not-brittle light ceramic, composite materials (linothorax!), all kinds of plastic Full plate (star wars) with mail (cut protection fabric) under it. Scales, plates on fabric, lamellar, and combinations of this for different parts of your body. F.e. chest, arm + leg outside more plated, inside more flexible.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 10:45:05 GMT
You can have all kind of steel armor constructions with modern materials: Not-brittle light ceramic, composite materials (linothorax!), all kinds of plastic Full plate (star wars) with mail (cut protection fabric) under it. Scales, plates on fabric, lamellar, and combinations of this for different parts of your body. F.e. chest, arm + leg outside more plated, inside more flexible. Good idea. I am making more of a leather+metal+modern fabric combo. It will probably take 2-3 years before my first workable and presentable prototype is made. For now, I shall research and make plans.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 10:56:20 GMT
I think it is time to contact PPSS and inquire about they stuff. Ask about it with the information of not being a recent potential customer ofcourse. Although I just found out that my Uncle knows them. (He lives in U.K.)
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Nov 12, 2016 11:57:05 GMT
It's a fascinating topic. As a motorcyclist of old I'm still interested in body protection. Modern armor for soldiers is bulletproof orientated. But modern anti-riot units or motocross drivers need an armor more in your way.
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Post by bluetrain on Nov 12, 2016 12:35:15 GMT
Someone mentioned a serrated edge on a sword. A sword from the middle ages sometimes wound up with a blade that was somewhat serrated through mild battle damage, by which I mean the accumulated nicks from actual use on the battlefield. A sword with minor damage like that was still perfectly usable. Sometimes the nicks were polished or sharpened out but the net effect was a serrated blade. Historical injuries on bones sometimes show that, too, although the effect on anything else is not possible to show.
There were two-handed swords used in the late Middle Ages that had wavy or "flaming" blades, same as some Asian blades, although I have no idea if that was done to increase cutting power. I believe the Swiss Guard used to use some.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 13:07:58 GMT
It's a fascinating topic. As a motorcyclist of old I'm still interested in body protection. Modern armor for soldiers is bulletproof orientated. But modern anti-riot units or motocross drivers need an armor more in your way. Thanks for thinking of it as such. My point is also not of use on a battlefield, but on a more sabotage or one on group basis. On a battle field, it could only be used on either guerillas or on shock groups. Battlefields need serious armor, since speed is not a huge issue when you are moving in a formation, of old or of this military age. Someone mentioned a serrated edge on a sword. A sword from the middle ages sometimes wound up with a blade that was somewhat serrated through mild battle damage, by which I mean the accumulated nicks from actual use on the battlefield. A sword with minor damage like that was still perfectly usable. Sometimes the nicks were polished or sharpened out but the net effect was a serrated blade. Historical injuries on bones sometimes show that, too, although the effect on anything else is not possible to show. There were two-handed swords used in the late Middle Ages that had wavy or "flaming" blades, same as some Asian blades, although I have no idea if that was done to increase cutting power. I believe the Swiss Guard used to use some. Yes, I have seen swords with the nicks you mentioned. Also if the flaming design. The flaming designs almost always had an acute point, since it was for maximum thrust damage. The metal was not good enough for that curving tri-blade that is so popular (team-of-doctors-to-stitch-popular) right now.
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Post by pgandy on Nov 12, 2016 14:14:35 GMT
I am thinking of a shield that goes into the back for more protection, sorry for the Captain America reference some might think of it. You mean something like this?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 15:48:03 GMT
I am thinking of a shield that goes into the back for more protection, sorry for the Captain America reference some might think of it. You mean something like this? And Mr. pgandy does it again! Thanks! Kind of yes, but I prefer round or more curvy shields.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 15:50:14 GMT
Also, something more intrinsic...
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Post by pgandy on Nov 12, 2016 17:42:18 GMT
And Mr. pgandy does it again! Thanks! Kind of yes, but I prefer round or more curvy shields. That shield has more curve than I care for and am considering making another but don’t know if I want another heater or round shield. If heater it will be flat. I thought originally that the curved shield best but now have second thoughts. The problem is that when I jab or punch with that one I often hit myself in the back, a problem not insurmountable but annoying. FYI, over on the “The Martindale Golok” thread they are discussing baseball bats. Don’t ask how the thread got there. However, I’m confident that the above shield will withstand those attacks with some to spare. Not only do I think it will it with stand the attacks but is what I would want in such a case. Perhaps it’s a bit overbuilt at 1” thick.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 18:21:55 GMT
A shield is better for blunt force counter than taking it into your body, even with body armor.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 18:22:48 GMT
And Mr. pgandy does it again! Thanks! Kind of yes, but I prefer round or more curvy shields. That shield has more curve than I care for and am considering making another but don’t know if I want another heater or round shield. If heater it will be flat. I thought originally that the curved shield best but now have second thoughts. The problem is that when I jab or punch with that one I often hit myself in the back, a problem not insurmountable but annoying. FYI, over on the “The Martindale Golok” thread they are discussing baseball bats. Don’t ask how the thread got there. However, I’m confident that the above shield will withstand those attacks with some to spare. Not only do I think it will it with stand the attacks but is what I would want in such a case. Perhaps it’s a bit overbuilt at 1” thick. Any building info on that shield?
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Post by pgandy on Nov 12, 2016 19:28:25 GMT
That shield has more curve than I care for and am considering making another but don’t know if I want another heater or round shield. If heater it will be flat. I thought originally that the curved shield best but now have second thoughts. The problem is that when I jab or punch with that one I often hit myself in the back, a problem not insurmountable but annoying. FYI, over on the “The Martindale Golok” thread they are discussing baseball bats. Don’t ask how the thread got there. However, I’m confident that the above shield will withstand those attacks with some to spare. Not only do I think it will it with stand the attacks but is what I would want in such a case. Perhaps it’s a bit overbuilt at 1” thick. Any building info on that shield? Sorry I have none to pass along. You can find many “how to” videos on YouTube for all types of shields.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Nov 12, 2016 21:09:08 GMT
Imagine a shield made with modern material (f.e. acrylic glass or composite), light, durable, shock absorbing functions for your arm, partly transparent, additional blades. Even formed for carrying on your back for free hands.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 4:11:30 GMT
I am researching possibilities for that too but the primary focus apart from moderate armor right now is weapons.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 9:54:09 GMT
I just emailed them. Let's see what light they can shed.
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Post by bluetrain on Nov 13, 2016 12:43:51 GMT
Shields made from modern materials actually exist. The police use them for riot control. Modern helmets are also made from modern materials, general some kind of plastic. As a matter of fact, and I think I've mentioned this before, when helmets were being introduced for trench warfare in WWI, around 1915, the first patterns were based on helmets used during the middle ages and curiously, not on the later ones from the Renaissance. That was in spite of the fact that some metal helmets (don't know the materials) that were still in use by heavy cavalry (typically) at that time. The German spiked helmet was not metal and probably not intended to provide ballistic protection. I don't believe shields survived as battlefield equipment past the English Civil War period, if that late. I'm pretty sure they were still in general use, along with body armor, a hundred years earlier (the 1500s).
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Post by Luka on Nov 13, 2016 12:44:15 GMT
There are very very few medieval weapons good heat treated plate armour with appropriate padding won't stop. Remember that they even made plate that was pretty much safe against pistols and also muskets in a longer range...
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