Sean (Shadowhowler)
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Feb 15, 2016 11:03:24 GMT
Speaking of Sonny, we have got to figure out a way to light a fire under him to get his Suontaka going. I thought that after Albion sold out on the Valkyrja that unless I found a used one that I wasn't going to get one. Then Sonny posted pictures of a prototype of his and I was back in the hunt. Since he posted the pictures he has come out with two other Viking swords but no Suontaka. This is going to be my burial sword but I don't want them to have to dig me back up to put it in the box with me. Guess I'll just have to stick around until I get one no matter how moldy I get. You could always get the Windlass version for 350.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Feb 15, 2016 13:18:16 GMT
I don't think so. A Viking sword with only a 1 3/4 inch blade ? I won't even buy ones with 2 inch blades anymore, it's 2 1/4 or it's a Euro sword with Viking fittings. Besides I want bronze fitting not copper PLATED. I'll wait, inpatiently. Besides, if I show up at the gates of Valholl with that sword Odin will laugh at me and slam the gate in my face.
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Post by MOK on Feb 15, 2016 15:25:19 GMT
Technically, viking swords are Euro swords... a lot of their blades were even made in continental Europe, at that... and the Suontaka sword is a Finnish find not connected to actual vikings in any way. PS. But I do hear you about taking a Windlass piece to Valhöll.
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Post by Luka on Feb 15, 2016 17:26:41 GMT
Gunnar, I am watching your posts about viking swords for some time already and I must say I think you have a slightly distorted view about what a true viking sword is. :D I also like wide blades and typical old fashioned lobbed pommels on viking swords the most, but narrow bladed viking swords are well known and ones with simple pommels too. And there is no evidence they weren't made or even evolved in Scandinavia. :)
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Feb 15, 2016 19:37:39 GMT
First off just because the Suontaka was found in a grave in Finland doesn't necessarily mean it was a finnish grave. Vikings traveled most of the known world and I would bet if one of them died they would have been buried where they died. You can find Roman graves in many different countries. These two swords look very simular but one was dug up in Norway and the other in Finland. So if both were made in either country we don't know. Luka, I'm a traditional kind of guy does that mean I don't know Vikings made different types of swords of course not. I have Peirce's book Swords of the Viking Age as probably you do too. Just like the Ulfberht, we all know it was a later Viking sword but to me it isn't a traditional Viking sword. Had we been Vikings back then you probably would have become Christian where I would have remained loyal to Odin. And the last person who called me distorted can no longer wear a helm. That was a Joke.
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Post by Luka on Feb 15, 2016 21:13:38 GMT
Hehe, actually, I'm quite a traditional guy. I like to fish with 30 year old reels more than with my new state of the art reels. ;) But yeah, I would have become a christian. :-P I agree traditional viking hilt types are the typical elaborate lobated types, but you didn't convince me about the wide blades. Width of the blades is very individualistic. I love very wide blades and I did some research on that and realized wide viking age blades, like 2.2 inches and more, are actually a bit rarer then 1.8-2" blades. The problem is that it is extremely difficult to know where the blade was made. Especially if it's not inlayed. Btw, I have a custom in process, it will have a 31.5" long and 2.36" (6cm) wide blade. And probably type H fittings.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Feb 15, 2016 22:13:51 GMT
See there you go Luka, your new custom is right where I think a " traditonal " Viking sword should be, just my opinion. Viking blades varied quite a bit with widths anywhere from 1.73 to 2.44 inches ( 4.4 to 6.2 cm ) and lengths anywhere from 24.8 to 35.8 inches ( 36 to 91 cm ). My favorite blade is the type 2 which could run anywhere from 1.89 to 2.44 inches ( 4.8 to 6.2 cm ) in width and 29.1 to 32.7 inches ( 74 to 83 cm ) in length. So to me, just my opinion 2.25 inch ( 5.7 cm ) width and 32 inch (81.3 cm ) is the ideal Viking blade which just so happens to be where my two Albions are.
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Post by Croccifixio on Feb 16, 2016 3:28:00 GMT
Just as another update here, Stephen Lockwood was looking for reviewers for his swords. He got Skallagrim to do one (the ideal guy given his popularity and background), and he's looking for another.
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Post by Razor on Feb 18, 2016 2:10:41 GMT
Stephen Lockwood is going to be sending a Type XII longsword to Donnie Reed and then send the same sword to me for reviews.
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Post by chrisperoni on Feb 18, 2016 4:39:37 GMT
Stephen Lockwood is going to be sending a Type XII longsword to Donnie Reed and then send the same sword to me for reviews. See, he's listening to and watching the community. Smart move on his part and a good sign.
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Post by Croccifixio on Jul 15, 2016 2:27:22 GMT
Update to this thread: Aside from Razor's review (seen here: sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/47937/lockwood-swords-xiia-video), I stumbled upon this comment on MyArmoury (in a thread on an Albion sword myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=33788&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20) which quoted an email from KoA. Interesting excerpt here, quoting poster Cameron J: "As far as getting stock in for Albion and Lockwood, we do have a lot on order with Albion but they have a large back log of their own orders and about 70 orders in place for us so 98% of what we get goes right out the door. Lockwood is a bit easier to get stuff from but that this point their stock is still mostly made to order. Quality wise Lockwood and Albion are very similar, the items we have gotten in from Lockwood have been very well manufactured and we would say they can stand up to Albion quality. The real difference as of now is that Lockwood is a lesser known brand. The factory edge on both is comparable as well. Any rust or surface flaws found would be cleaned off the blade before it is sent out, if it could not be the item would be blemished and not sold at full price, so I would not worry about receiving and item with tarnish or rusting." [emphasis supplied] Sound very promising.
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Post by emporerpants on Aug 4, 2016 23:08:45 GMT
So, any word on Lockwood from anyone else? Are they still considered Albion level?
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Dec 1, 2016 0:32:24 GMT
y'all are nuts if you think a guy making each sword individually all by himself should be charging the same as imported stuff from china, on average it costs someone like me or him about 400$ just to make a sword. and y'all want him to sell his stuff for like 500 and 600?how many of you go work a 40 hour work week to get paid like 1.50 an hour for your work lol? Cut the guy some slack. sheesh.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Dec 1, 2016 0:32:58 GMT
But you have to charge what you are worth, Tinker didn't start out with low prices, either did Chenness and you all praise him to the high heaven. Ablion didn't start out cheap either. i agree 100%
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stormmaster
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Post by stormmaster on Dec 1, 2016 0:42:53 GMT
I think its a reasonable price, but it might be that there are too many reliable options at that price point that are tried and proven which is why there is so much skepticism, but he can ask any price he wants honestly its his business
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