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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Dec 18, 2015 20:36:01 GMT
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Post by victoriansword on Dec 18, 2015 21:57:27 GMT
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Dec 18, 2015 23:28:55 GMT
Yep that's what I said, it smelled a little fishy to me. A thirty dollar sword he probably put in the ocean for a couple months and now he's the great discoverer. Unfortunately now if someone really finds something important people are going to remember this BS and probably not believe it. So the Viking's number one spot is still secure. Still waiting on more information on the Kensington Stone as well, they're now saying that it may actually be authentic. 
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Post by newfoundviking on Dec 19, 2015 0:42:26 GMT
I'm sure that when an actual scientific analysis of that Roman sword concludes it's 20 years old no need will be written about that. All about the hype.
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Post by newfoundviking on Dec 19, 2015 0:43:10 GMT
Sorry no news not need
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Post by ineffableone on Dec 19, 2015 2:21:54 GMT
Considering it was found off the coast of Oak island, where the famous Money Pit is located adds to the possible authenticity and possible hoax of this. There are a lot of theories as to who built the Money Pit.
If real why not go public with it when discovered? It could have given important clues about the Money Pit. But then it is possible the discoverer was hoping to investigate himself and so kept it secret. Plenty of discoveries on Oak Island have been kept secret to keep pieces of the puzzle away from other treasure hunters.
The "ship wreak" and the sword itself need to be properly investigated and dated. When dealing with Oak Island finds one must be both skeptical and open minded. The place has a lot going on that is not yet fully explained. But also has had plenty of controversy and hoaxing too.
It will be interesting to see if this is properly investigated and to find out what is discovered.
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Post by Rabel Dusk on Dec 19, 2015 2:32:08 GMT
People kept posting this on the Roman History Facebook page for the past few days. It sparked much derision. I wish I could have posted the Walmart sword address there, but all those posts have been removed.
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Post by Svadilfari on Dec 19, 2015 10:14:48 GMT
This belongs in the same category as BigFoot and other "monsters". Unfortunately some people will believe *anything* :(
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Post by RicWilly on Dec 19, 2015 11:52:44 GMT
Rome FTW
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Dec 19, 2015 18:14:16 GMT
So far the only ones that have any proof of being here before Columbus is the Native Americans and the Vikings. A lot of countries and people have claimed others were here but none have any real proof of it. It's a fascinating subject but it is being polluted by liars and frauds.
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Post by Rabel Dusk on Dec 20, 2015 3:04:19 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if some Irishmen had made it across. The question is who had ships that could actually cross the Atlantic?
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Post by Draven on Dec 20, 2015 6:06:50 GMT
A few thoughts...
Firstly, that 'sword' is bronze. We ought to have a good, long think about the timeline of Rome and the end of the bronze age.
Secondly, pretty sure that sword is not a sword. The 'blade' is just a flat bar of bronze - it has no edge, no ridge, no fuller, no point, no nothing. Given that the detailing on the hilt is good and the corrosion is very light, they didn't just wear or corrode away. It's not even a letter opener. Given the manner in which is was 'found', the manner in which it was presented and the claims made by the person presenting it, I'd be willing to bet it's younger than I am.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Dec 20, 2015 17:06:03 GMT
There are stories of an Irish priest called St. Brendan sailing across to this continent before the Vikings but no hard evidence to support it. A lot of people from other countries have claimed it but the Vikings are the only ones so far to prove it.
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Post by william m on Dec 20, 2015 19:04:23 GMT
I think we can discredit this sword and move on now.
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Post by ineffableone on Dec 20, 2015 19:59:18 GMT
There are stories of an Irish priest called St. Brendan sailing across to this continent before the Vikings but no hard evidence to support it. A lot of people from other countries have claimed it but the Vikings are the only ones so far to prove it. Well there is DNA evidence of Africans in Brazil. And DNA evidence of Japanese in South American in fact a village in S America has markers only found on one Japanese Island population with many similarities between the two cultures. And there are Chinese anchors off the coast of California. It is also actually widely accepted that fishing vessels were brought to the Americas across the Atlantic from all over Europe and Africa due to storms, though it is thought those were one way trips. So I would not say Vikings are the only ones at all. And if one wants to get into "suppressed" info, there is a theory that there was a massive copper exportation from the Great Lakes to Europe to supply the European bronze age. The theory goes that there was not enough copper in the old world to make all the bronze that was made, and it had to come from somewhere. In the Great Lakes they found ancient copper mines, but no evidence of the amount of copper that was taken from it in the Americas. Though as I said this is theory, and not an accepted one. At lest yet. I don't know all that much about it, but if true it would change a lot of history.
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Post by ineffableone on Dec 20, 2015 20:14:08 GMT
I think we can discredit this sword and move on now. How do you arrive at this? I am not saying the sword is legit, but I don't see any conclusive evidence saying it isn't either. I am waiting to see scientific dating rather than just assuming it is a hoax. Am I skeptical, yep sure I am. But I am also not just dismissing it either. There is other evidence of possible Roman visits to the region previous to the sword discovery. www.inquisitr.com/2646019/oak-island-roman-sword-discoved-off-nova-scotia-coast/I found this from doing a news search for info on the sword find, to see if it had been debunked yet due to your comment. But seems it hasn't. At least yet. As I said, I am skeptical. Due to where it was found all claims should be considered both skeptically and open mindedly. The place is a mystery that has not been solved yet. Maybe it was Romans? Or Templars. Or Aztec. Or pirates. Or who knows who else. Or maybe it is the biggest hoax in history?
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Dec 20, 2015 23:38:40 GMT
William M since I started this post and as long as members want to continue it we will continue. Better be carefull or I'll start using all caps in my subject titles again.
Ineffableone, I didn't say Vikings were the only ones I say from what proven information we have now they were the first not counting the Native Americans. DNA only proves that someone was there it doesn't prove when they were there. The only way you could do that would be to dig up the oldest grave at the location and do DNA tests on it. Assuming there's enough left to do the tests and you can prove the age of the grave.
I think it's still an interesting subject even though we can rule out the Walmart sword.
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Post by newfoundviking on Dec 20, 2015 23:41:40 GMT
Took a better look at pics and it's more of a big knife than a sword in my opinion. Would be great if they did something like carbon dating and also found what region copper/bronze came from.
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Post by Rabel Dusk on Dec 20, 2015 23:49:44 GMT
Remember folks, the sword can be bought at Walmart. I guess one could say that the Walmart sword is a copy of some antique original. But I sure haven't seen any original Roman sword that looked anything like this bronze monstrosity. Anyone?
I wonder if Phoenicians/Carthaginians could have visited the New World? They are the most likely candidates, though again, I don't know if their ships were seaworthy enough to go transatlantic. They defineitely went out into the Ocean, but AFIAK, stuck close to the European and African shorelines. It seems to me that the most likely early way would be the northern route, with landfalls in Iceland and Greenland to cut down on long, landless stretches.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Dec 21, 2015 0:31:41 GMT
Hey, has anyone checked to see if there were Walmart's in Rome back then ?  Theories are one thing but only hard evidence proves the truth. We know one thing for sure and that's that the first to come here from Europe carried swords.
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