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Post by Lukas MG (chenessfan) on Sept 29, 2015 18:56:37 GMT
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Post by Uhlan on Sept 29, 2015 19:13:25 GMT
Yes, a little injection with epoxy in the grip should do. The old horn grips will crack under the strain of cutting for sure, if they aren't cracked already and wood grips are dryed out and may be brittle. No big deal, but you will have to stop any gaps with wax. 1.5 - 2.5 CC in a syringe will do. Go in under the guard, in the space between the blade and guard. Hang it upside down in the vice and leave it to set overnight. By the way, nice piece of work your M1822 chenessfan. Oh, and that Degen has the cypher of Wilhelm I, so is Prussian indeed. For the most part the blades were well made and quite stiff for stabbing. Not good at cutting things though. One last thing: Weapon Edge or Universal makes the F1. Pinotte did a review of it and was quite pleased. The original, for the Garde National, has a stainless blade I think, but the replicas are alright and have a lowish price over at KOA. They seem to handle quite well.
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Post by Luka on Sept 30, 2015 10:45:31 GMT
I own only one original saber, a French M1822 cavalry saber. I took it apart, made a new handle and mounted it again. The blade was straightened and resharpened. Purists may scoff at this but I like what I ended up with. Handles and cuts very nicely ;) I can certainly recommend the model though I suspect that many originals will require some tightening of the fittings or the like to be used safely for cutting.
Every time you post this I muster a bit more courage to get mine sharpened. I already got the hilt repeened. :)
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Post by Sugiyama on Sept 30, 2015 14:57:25 GMT
Remounting the handle sounds like a safe idea... I love the way yours turned out! How did you go about doing that?
I'm kinda leaning towards that Prussian 1879, because it's so similar to a 1796 LC, but with a bit more thrust potential and better handling. But all of these sabers look sooo good. Unfortunately, I can't take advantage of current deals, as I am putting almost all of my sword funds into getting my Showato customized.
You folks have any experience with the 1821 French officer's sword? I see it quite often and for relatively low prices. I know someone on this forum bought one and cleaned it up, but I never heard how it handled or how it cut.
Thank you all for the suggestions!
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Post by Afoo on Sept 30, 2015 15:12:58 GMT
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Post by Uhlan on Sept 30, 2015 21:09:19 GMT
I have a M1821 with original leather scabbard. As it was for Infantry it is smallish compaired to the M1822. For the sake of maintenance and price I would opt for a later version with steel scabbard. Handling is very good. Never cut with mine though, but I will bet it is a good cutter too.
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Post by vinland on Oct 2, 2015 7:03:00 GMT
Well now I'm hooked. Looking around for antique sabers is surprisingly fun. Found a 1902 officer's sword that's kind of interesting. It's strange. I can't seem to find any references to this name, Joseph Jablonski shows up though. From what I've seen the company was around and making swords and I can find examples of 1902 officer's swords with the American Military Supply Corp New York stamped to their blades, with it made in Germany - like this one. And the seller bgrelics looks legitimate and has others. Am I just being too critical? It does look like a nice sword and is in very good condition
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Post by Dave Kelly on Oct 2, 2015 7:21:41 GMT
Skads of stuff to muck about with. LSMA? ( Louisiana State Military Academy?) Post WWII quite probably a stainless steel decorative piece. Best to get one of these from 1920 or earlier.
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Post by vinland on Oct 2, 2015 9:09:09 GMT
Skads of stuff to muck about with. LSMA? ( Louisiana State Military Academy?) Post WWII quite probably a stainless steel decorative piece. Best to get one of these from 1920 or earlier. That's makes sense, thanks. Definitely looked too cheap for how clean it is
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Post by Afoo on Oct 3, 2015 18:44:47 GMT
I just noticed that the guard on my Swiss 1876 is symmetrical, making it suitable for lefties. It is a big sword, but very light in the hand - Dave Kelly also approves, so it can only mean good things!
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Post by Sugiyama on Oct 4, 2015 4:47:24 GMT
I know it's not European, but does anyone have any experience with the Japanese type 32 cavalry saber? They seem ambidextrous, and relatively inexpensive, and not terrible uncommon.
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Post by Afoo on Oct 4, 2015 5:26:42 GMT
Its a katana with a saber grip - no taper to speak of, very heavy. The grip and guard is smaller than you might expect. I find it comfortable, but people with larger hands may not like it. I can post some pictures and stats up later this weekend if I have time They are very robust things though, and should be powerful cutters, if a bit clumsy. Most come service sharpened, since they were actually meant to be used regularly, so that makes your job easier. If you can get the green ROC version (Type 65), thats even cooler IMO. However, it is very heavily copied. Deepeeka makes a repro of the type 32 (http://kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AH3410). You can tell it apart from the real ones from the build quality in general. The type 32's - or at least the ones I have seen are very well made, whereas the Deepeeka looks cheap. The Deepeeka also uses different types of screws to hold the grips in place compared to the original (flathead vs two holes). The biggest difference is in the definition of the blade tip - compare the crisp lines on the original (top) vs that of the Deepeeka (bottom). The fullers are also extremely well formed in the original Type 32 - crisp machining work vs the softer edges on the repros. For the Type 65 - if you type that into ebay, almost all the examples will be stainless steel repros chugged out from China. Use caution when looking for the Type 65.
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Post by Sugiyama on Oct 4, 2015 5:42:41 GMT
Ah, that is a shame about the weight, though. I think it's a sign I need to move away from Japanese swords a bit haha The saber I have right now is the CS 1815 officer sword, and it's a heavy cleaver.
Another question I've had: Does anyone have experience with Italian swords? The ones I've seen also look pretty nice, though a bit higher in price.
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Post by Afoo on Oct 4, 2015 6:00:31 GMT
I have the 1871. It's a pipe-back blade, so its unbelievably light for its size. The grip on it has a nook for your thumb, which helps with the open grip. Not sure how the pope back will cut. It is very sturdy in terms of assembly at least. I know Dave kelly had/has one - maybe he has more experience. The guard on the 1871 and its 1860(??) predecessor do look very unique though - somewhere between a bowl guard and a bar guard. I like them. Not ambidextrous though
Should clarify that the type 32 is heavier than expected for its size. That said, it's also smaller than expected. Again, stats when I have time. It is ambidextrous though, although the scabbard locking latch may be awkwardly located, the guard itself is symmetrical.
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Post by madmandom on Oct 4, 2015 6:36:56 GMT
Loving this thread it really piqued my interest in sabre. Out of curiosity would something like this m.ebay.com.au/itm/281680788967 be ok? Or is it just repro knock off?
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Post by Uhlan on Oct 4, 2015 7:22:07 GMT
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Oct 4, 2015 7:28:49 GMT
Loving this thread it really piqued my interest in sabre. Out of curiosity would something like this m.ebay.com.au/itm/281680788967 be ok? Or is it just repro knock off? It's a repro knock-off. Whether it's still OK, I don't know. Most of these Chinese fakes look like they have thick tips, so they'll be sluggish compared to originals, even if similar weights.
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Post by madmandom on Oct 4, 2015 7:36:21 GMT
Alright, thanks for the feed back. I thought they were repro's but wasn't sure ,I'll stay away from these.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Oct 4, 2015 12:16:56 GMT
Due not listen to any off dees peoples. Deeh are awl lyres, I tell you. Lyres!! China is a small town in soudeast Poleland. ( We chick giggles sattlight map... )
The photos look hopeful ( Burger joint photos can also induce salivation and an uncontrollable urge to supersize and buy the twofer. ) Ebay is full of this stuff. READ EVERYTHING ON EBAY CAREFULLY. Then ask for second and third opinions.
( Not wishing to sound like I'm a Chinaphobe, there are many "dumpers" on the sword market and a "trip to grannies house" is fraught with lions and tigers and SLOs, OH MY. )Look around ebay and you'll find the same sword for 100.00.
( There are several "antiques dealers" in the greater New York City area who salt their real antiques with doctored replicas. When you tell a reputable dealer they are most likely selling a rep they will pull it and examine it. When you tell an ebay crook that he has a rep he tells you that if you aren't buying mind your own damn bidness. )
Don't despair, in 7 years of sword buying ebay has only cost me 1800.00 in bad buys. Just collateral damage amounting to a cheap education in collecting.... Bwhaaaaahoohoohoohoo. :)
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Post by Sugiyama on Oct 6, 2015 3:11:45 GMT
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