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Post by Sugiyama on Jan 3, 2016 4:18:31 GMT
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Post by aronk on Jan 3, 2016 5:05:57 GMT
I can't comment on the first two, but be very careful with hennadiy. He frequently sells seconds purchased from auction house prices for premium prices. Need to directly ask him if the hilt is solid, etc. He will answer honestly, even if he doesn't say anything about it in his listing. That said, he does occasionally have some decent stuff. I bought my M1822 from him, and it is my favourite sword. But if you're willing to pay in the 400-450 range, wait for an M1822 that needs a bit of restoration work. I assure you that you will be much happier with one for cutting etc. than you would be with a Prussian 1889.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 5:31:17 GMT
The brass hilt one is a Bavarian Infantry officer sword model 1855, markings are for the (Bavarian) 16th Infantry (Ersatz/replacement) Regiment. Given the sword has history I'd never consider using it for cutting.
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Post by Uhlan on Jan 3, 2016 12:06:53 GMT
The Prussians are both late war products. Around 1916. The last one needs good conservation real quick. I posted it in the Ebay finds section, last page. Overpriced so I would not offer more than $200. Pcay has good stuff, sometimes excellent finds, but he prices his merchandise accordingly. However, he is 100 % okay and his photos are well made so you will see everything. He does not try to hide blemishes. You have to be very careful with Hennady, like aronk said. That said both these Degen are not for cutting. Too fragile. They make for excellent thrusters though. The folding guard says they are dress swords. The solid version has a much better field grade blade, however the tangs are still very thin at the end to accommodate the screw section. Cutting might brake that part and then it is over.
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Post by bfoo2 on Jan 5, 2016 4:03:28 GMT
I'd recommend something a bit less ornate for actual cutting use. Something like a Brit 1885, Spanish 1860, &tc. -For starters, those tend to be more solidly built and harder to damage, so you won't worry yourself about harming an irreplaceable antique. -Plain swords are fairly easy to clean. You can get away with buying a slightly rusty example (make sure there's no major pitting) and cleaning it carefully (you might want to ask Uhlan how he does is magic- I just use sandpaper). It's a bit of work, but certainly cheaper than looking for pristine pieces. In my collection, I have some pristine ornate swords for show, and a collection of rusty, epoxied-up beaters for drilling. No use shaking a $800 show-room condition 1889 to bits when a $300 workhorse beater will do. Like this one off eBay. Also, I can't remember, but was there a reason you aren't considering reproductions? The 1792 LC sword from Universal Swords is pretty decent. Solidly built, and no guilt about potentially ruining an antique.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 5, 2016 4:56:09 GMT
If you can find one, a Spanish 1896 Troopers sword (not sure on the actual pattern date, that's the only marking on mine) are a light, flexible and durable sabre. I know they're durable because mine was used as a machete once. (Only a loose guard, but it was already loose when I got it. No play in the handle or other parts, and putting a washer on the guard made it much more tight)
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Post by bfoo2 on Jan 5, 2016 18:01:52 GMT
If you can find one, a Spanish 1896 Troopers sword (not sure on the actual pattern date, that's the only marking on mine) are a light, flexible and durable sabre. I know they're durable because mine was used as a machete once. (Only a loose guard, but it was already loose when I got it. No play in the handle or other parts, and putting a washer on the guard made it much more tight) You mean one of these? I have one as well. Solidly built, and everything is held together by flat-head screws so you can deal with any looseness yourself. Only disclaimer is that the pistol grip is not to everyone's liking. I know I like it, but Afoo does not. On a personal note, the lack of fullers bothers me. I mean... how lazy can you get?
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Post by bfoo2 on Jan 5, 2016 18:03:25 GMT
On the upshot, these the cheapest STRUCTURALLY SOUND military sabers you can get by a fairly wide margin.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 5, 2016 20:04:56 GMT
If you can find one, a Spanish 1896 Troopers sword (not sure on the actual pattern date, that's the only marking on mine) are a light, flexible and durable sabre. I know they're durable because mine was used as a machete once. (Only a loose guard, but it was already loose when I got it. No play in the handle or other parts, and putting a washer on the guard made it much more tight) You mean one of these? I have one as well. Solidly built, and everything is held together by flat-head screws so you can deal with any looseness yourself. Only disclaimer is that the pistol grip is not to everyone's liking. I know I like it, but Afoo does not. On a personal note, the lack of fullers bothers me. I mean... how lazy can you get? Yes! Though mine's a bit different, with fillers and a very shiny blade. (According to Pino, it's a Modelo Roberto, not a standard troopers model if I read his PDF right )
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Post by bfoo2 on Jan 9, 2016 23:43:44 GMT
Yes, they did do a few of those with fullers. I've seen them around and unlike the trooper version, I think they look fantastic. I always assumed them to be officer versions of some sort.
On the upshot, my trooper's version is covered in rust (or as dealers describe it, "patina") and is complete semprini. Only paid 50 bucks for it though, so....
Is your sword nickle plated?
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 10, 2016 0:06:29 GMT
It seems to be, though I'm no expert in metals.
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Post by bfoo2 on Jan 10, 2016 2:07:27 GMT
It's plated if it's shinier than normal steel Seriously, I don't know a non-destructive way of telling if something is plated (other than the aforementioned shininess test). Although when the underlying steel corrodes, the plating becomes quite apparent (it starts peeling or bubbling and is kind of a nightmare). Perhaps those more versed in sword construction/repair could help you with telling plated vs non-plated? ( Uhlan Dave Kelly @pinotte18141 to name a few)
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 10, 2016 3:35:09 GMT
There are some (extremely) tiny bubbly bits on the ricasso, sort of looks torn actually.
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