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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2008 12:20:07 GMT
Oh, it's not pride LOL.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Apr 26, 2008 17:44:22 GMT
Sam thanks for the inspiration. I might cut something along these lines from 6mm flatbar. I would make it fancier than this (very rough) drawing of course, scrolls at the end and so forth. But it would follow the S shape of the sword. And this is the pommel I would use: Its a pretty big heavy pommel which would help offset the blade bias. The whole thing will end up a bit heavier, but hopefully well balanced. I can't weigh it now as the blade is at the shop for heat treatment.
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Post by 293master293 on Apr 26, 2008 18:26:33 GMT
Isn't that one of the pommels you were considering using for your Braveheart sword?
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Apr 27, 2008 2:39:55 GMT
Thats the one
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Apr 29, 2008 13:51:06 GMT
Well I scribed up that other guard design (above), but scrapped it coz I came up with something better (I think). I was studying Rapier hilts and came up with (I feel) a unique design. It's kind of half Rapier / half Cutlass. It's pretty big, but not as heavy as it looks, though its made from 6mm flatbar. The original brass one weighs in at 127g(4.5oz), whereas the steel one weighs in at 227g (8oz) - making it 100g heavier (3.5oz). This is never going to be a lightweight sword anyway. Also the weight will bring back the POB. It would be a great guard for a cut and thruster or a rapier, but after chatting with my wife over it we're not convinced it's perfect for this sword. I did stay with the curvy S shapes. What do you guys reckon? It's kind of like a cutlass guard, on a scimitar. I really like the guard, and it would be great for fighting. It's heat treated 9260. It feels really secure to have a cage like that around your hand. I don't have any basket hilts or rapiers (yet - got a rapier coming ;D) Imagine punching someone in the helmet with it. Here's the blank. It's cut from 70x6mm flatbar. It took me 5.5 hours to cut, grind, file and so forth this little sucker. Then after 2.5 hours on the forge here's the outcome. Ahm, no. It's not shiny. This is the steel pommel I would use with it: The steel pommel goes up from 207g (brass) to 381g - so its nearly double the weight. So the total sword weight goes from 1526g (3lb 6oz; brass set) to now 1800g (3lb 15oz ; new steel set). Pob moves back nearly 2" from 7" (brass) to 5.25" (steel). So what do you, the sword buying public think? Would you like to have a heron scimitar with a cutlassy / rapiery guard like this? Otherwise, please draw or show a link to a guard you would like. Either way I feel this has been a huge leap forward in developing my sword making skills. It's hugely labout intensive, just bending & welding some narrow bars to a cross would have been much easier. Maybe thats something I can work on. Only problem being I only own an arc welder, which would melt the goods. Cheers
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2008 14:25:06 GMT
Seems like your wife is right. It's a nice guard but not for a heron scimitar. Gimme some time to look for something more suitable.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2008 15:18:40 GMT
Now that Brenno is what people will pay 800 bucks for, I don't like twirls(wirls?) on blades but like you did on that guard is awesome! 1+
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2008 16:41:19 GMT
Thats a brawler with style! what is the weight with blade, guard and pommel?
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Post by 293master293 on Apr 29, 2008 17:43:49 GMT
I am speechless...................
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2008 18:26:24 GMT
I dunno, I'm a huge fan of that guard on it. A cutlass kind of thing emphasizes the aquatic--and herons are waterbirds. It aesthetically complements the blade too.
Don't second-guess it, I think it's grand as is.
And go with horn, I second the horn suggestion!
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Apr 29, 2008 18:39:14 GMT
Thats a brawler with style! what is the weight with blade, guard and pommel? Steve - My previous post with the photos has been edited to show the comparison weights. Shayan - If you're enthusiastic about it I'll take that as a positive sign. You are one of the most sabre / scimitar type enthusiasts here, so if it sits well with you, as you say, I won't second guess it. BTW do you second SBs horn handle idea, or the retention of the spur on the blade, which is what was actually brought up first. I'm keeping the blade as is. If I really love this sword, maybe I'll etch it. It will be grand indeed once complete.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2008 19:33:43 GMT
Both, most sabers of the Middle East had horn handles, and you can get them in just about any color. Also I like the horn on the blade, without it it would be elegant too, but not as aesthetically balanced with the spurs on the top edge. ACTUALLY, scratch that. I think a Dao-style grip would suit this one. The grip shape isn't going to be shamshir-like at all with the tang profile, and dao grips are gorgeous on that shape of tang in my opinion. Edit: But white horn grips might look pretty pimp, sort of white like a heron feather and smooth. Up to you! www.alcheminc.com/turkichilts.jpgMaybe a grip like the one on the right, but curvier?
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Post by oos3thoo on Apr 29, 2008 21:18:56 GMT
Wow... Amazing! Finish it Faster!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2008 22:37:51 GMT
Keep that guard, and good to see you got the concept, and friggin ran with it!. You can't keep making awesome blades with complete crap hilts anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2008 23:11:39 GMT
Brenno finish it the way it is. i agree that a dao style grip would be very cool.
on arc welders: they make really skinny welding rod for doing small stuff, it won't weld sheet metal but the bar stock shouldn't be a problem.
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Post by brotherbanzai on Apr 30, 2008 0:05:01 GMT
Hey Brenno, that guard looks fantastic! +1 for the design and I'd give Sam one too for the idea but I know he hates that.
I think you could make something even more elaborate (basket like) for another sword by combining that technique with welding on steel rods too. I did something like that (cast bronze cross and bronze rod for the basket, swept hilt, whatever) for a rapier blade a while ago but I had access to a tig welder. I would think that if you're using steel you could use your arc welder for something like that, just need small welding rod.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2008 10:15:15 GMT
A mig welder would pretty much do all that work and more right on down to the small stuff, no need to go all ridiculous and get a tig machine.
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Post by Dan Davis on Apr 30, 2008 12:59:52 GMT
Brenno, Nice work; It's amazing how far you have come since we first started talking about a year ago.
I vote for a simple shamshir-type guard and a pinned-on hawks-head pommel. Clean and elegant. Bone grip.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2008 7:19:59 GMT
Bren: Well, what can I say? I am speechless, that guard is just sheer perfection matem that just absolutely blows me away,comparing your latest piece to your first piece it is obvious how much you have improved. Oh, also where did you get that brass rod you sent to me? My dad needs some more for some reason.
Keep going and I agree that a dao style handle would suit this to perfection.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on May 1, 2008 10:44:03 GMT
BW; Pm sent. I'm gonna have to break some hearts here coz I'm not even going to attempt to tie a grip like this: Thats what yousall want isn't it. Can't you settle for a nice carving on wood? Yeah not keen on the bone either, I just find it macabre in a way. Sorry. I have the blackwood, or some nice Jarrah which is the redwood, which would show up a carving better than the blackwood. Or I have some Red Burl left I could polish up, but probably wouldn't try to carve due to grain chaos.
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