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Post by Caboose on Aug 23, 2014 4:43:25 GMT
Very interesting how the Atrim has a further out PoB and yet still has less blade presence than the Crecy.
Aesthetically, I like the Crecy the best by far, but I guess that makes a lot of since considering the Hanwei is less than a third of the price, and Atrims are much more performance oriented.
This also goes to show just how few XVIa production swords there are (even fewer now, with Atrims pretty much unavailable for the foreseeable future)
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Aug 23, 2014 4:51:40 GMT
Slight correction... you will see new Atrim swords in the future... but likely not in the volume as in the past. Gus is working on fulfilling back-orders and wanting to avoid such a situation in the future. Thus... moving forward its best to think of Atrim's as a 'boutique' sword... some will be released now and then to different avenues of sale... recently a small handful of new Atrim swords were made available threw Kult of Athena... and you can expect that to be the case again in the future. You will just have to keep your eyes open... when they hit the market they move fast.
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Post by William Swiger on Aug 23, 2014 6:41:58 GMT
Nice comparison and all three good swords for their price. I have the Crecy and Hanwei with a few others....
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Post by TomK on Aug 23, 2014 8:14:16 GMT
The Crecy having a shorter grip is probably having a lot to do with the increased blade presence. even though it has a heavier pommel to bring the balance back more. I have found a shorter grip and total hilt length really makes the sword handle more abruptly and feel like it has a more forward lean. this is pivot points in action. the Crecy I handled was very nice and it has a very different flavor than the Atrim XVIa.3. interesting how much variety can be found in one type. which you prefer I think will come down to what you like and what you want out of your sword. fascinating stuff.
excellent review sir thank you for this side by side look.
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Post by Bryan Heff on Aug 23, 2014 10:59:00 GMT
I thoroughly enjoyed that review Dave. Great comparison and pictures.
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Post by Alex.Moranz on Aug 23, 2014 13:51:21 GMT
Dave, I always like reading your posts and reviews, and this one is no exception. I also happen to be a huge fan of type XVI blades. Well done sir, well done!
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Post by LG Martial Arts on Aug 23, 2014 13:53:46 GMT
Great review Dave! The Type XVIa swords are my favorite Euros even though I've yet to own a single one. Your review will come in handy when I finally decide to buy one.
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Post by Voltan on Aug 23, 2014 17:33:00 GMT
Very well done and informative Dave! Well, aren't you just the lucky one! :roll:
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Post by Uhlan on Aug 24, 2014 6:57:17 GMT
Nice review.
,, I can just possess all of them. ''
Spoken like a true collector! Hear, Hear!
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Post by john570 on Aug 25, 2014 17:56:52 GMT
Very interesting Dave thanks.
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Post by Sneakypete on Aug 25, 2014 23:00:37 GMT
Love comparative reviews like this. The Hanwei is one of my favorite "underdog" swords on the market. Very cool to see that it can at least compete with the two Big A's, if not quite equal them.
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Post by Bryan Heff on Aug 25, 2014 23:08:32 GMT
That giant pommel...yes I realize the original also has the giant pommel, just looks like crap IMO. Why do so many lower end offering have for me a fatal flaw....WHY damn it Otherwise I would have bought one a long time ago.
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Post by Luka on Aug 25, 2014 23:45:19 GMT
Thanks for the review Dave, I love your charts! Btw, not that it matters much, but Albrecht is usually classified as XVIIIa...
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Post by Luka on Aug 26, 2014 15:47:41 GMT
Yeah, I know, people don't expect XVIII to have a fuller, but Oakeshott did say XVIII can have a short fuller sometimes... See the original Al II here under XVIIIa: www.myarmoury.com/feature_spotxviii.htmlBtw, I handled Albrecht some years ago and I liked it but didn't buy it and instead bought a Gen2 Norman/Crusader... I would love to handle Albrecht again and see what I would think about it now... You think its tip area might be too weak for thrusts into mail?
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Post by Madmartigen on Aug 26, 2014 16:22:28 GMT
Yeah, HT Longsword is dubbed the XVIIIa, and it had the fuller last time I checked .
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Post by pokey on Aug 26, 2014 16:49:33 GMT
i would have thought the HT longsword was an XVIa?
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Post by Madmartigen on Aug 26, 2014 17:41:05 GMT
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Post by Caboose on Aug 26, 2014 22:05:18 GMT
The Fullered Bastard sword is XVIIIa as well, no?
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Post by nddave on Aug 26, 2014 23:27:14 GMT
Yes both are primarily XVIIIa Types due to the blade profile fuller or not. On average most standard typologies have or have not fullers whereas the majority of subtypes usually will have the them. Fullers aren't really a defining factor regarding types though. Who's to say that some random knight requested one on say a type normally not normally fullered like a Type XV or Type XVIII? Then one day an archaeologist digs that up and now the description for that type changes?
The only thing Really keeping any of these three (H/T LS, H/T BS and HA2) swords from being XVIIIa over XVIa is the blade profile (flat hex for XVIa and flat diamond for XVIIIa) and base width. If there were ever two almost identical sword types out of Oakeshott's Typology it would be the Type XVIa snd XVIIIa Types. I wouldn't be surprised if Oakeshott himself had trouble deciphering the two types apart from each other in his early examinations and classifying.
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Post by pokey on Aug 27, 2014 2:56:41 GMT
well the base of the HT longsword is actually wider than the Albion Crecy... they are in fact extremely similar, bar the fuller length! I always thought the HT Longsword was not of any type, and tinker just designed it how he wanted. Then I saw the Crecy and was like... oh it must be a XVIa... i guess the crecy has that small flat section of blade after the fuller while the tinker goes straight into a ridge, seems odd to define a sword based on that, but there ya go?
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