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Post by Novice_Surgery on Aug 7, 2013 2:50:48 GMT
Making paul out to be a bad guy is the last thing I intend, because its not the truth. But that doesnt at all stop the fact that I was sold a sword from here that was unsafe to use. Im in no way telling anyone to not buy from sbg or from ronin katana. I love my ronin to death, but if its a safety hazard, I gotta say goodbye. If someone had been killed by a flying piece of steel, because of a failure I would have that death on my head and go to prison, not paul or anyone else. So me saying his name on here and saying he stands by his products is not insulting. I didnt call the man anything or say hes a dishonest man or anthing like that. Only that qc has to take a closer look at those swords before someone dies.
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Post by OttoVonFaart on Aug 7, 2013 2:57:49 GMT
I believe that most of us would be upset to discover any sort of manufacturing defect in any sword, regardless of how it came to be. I think we can all agree that the SBG Store is a good outfit & enjoys a well deserved reputation for selling very good products, as does Ronin Katana. Ronin answers customer queries both by e-mail and on their Facebook page, perhaps an e-mail to both Ronin and the SBG Store would help you arrive at a happy solution. While your distress may be justified, I'm not sure that you anger is. Here's a link to the SBG Store Guarantee & Customer Service page. Perhaps you should use their priority customer service contact form found on that page. Please let us know how things turn out for you.
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Post by Novice_Surgery on Aug 7, 2013 3:05:24 GMT
I for one Marc have never broken a katana in half, only bent them. If you say its not gonna break, then its not gonna break. Does no one here understand my concern though or my discontent that I have or dont know if there are deep holes in my steel? I come on strong as hell especially when I dont know whether I have something that if I had cut with could have killed someone? Then I have other senior members also telling me to not cut tatami or bamboo with it? Its really disheartening. So I apologize for my brazen rant. Some of the things I said were definately out of line. But so is someone dying over a hobby. I will email Paul first thing in the morning; with absolute respect of course. When I was ranting on here I was talkin to whoever feels like reading and if anyone in specific the guy who qc'd my sword. Thats who im really mad at. And mad at myself.
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Post by johnwalter on Aug 7, 2013 3:41:06 GMT
I should clarify. First its pretty misleading to say the blade will not break,noone knows for sure.It may or may not,the very safest and most responsible reply is,no it isnt safe.Especially for hard or substantial targets.Who really knows how the hole got thier,it could possibly be an issue with that whole piece of stock.So I say dont cut hard or heavy targets with it,especially in a dojo setting where thier may be many people around. Imo,no sane or legitimate teacher would allow it in thier dojo for tameshigiri.If they did,I think I would leave. NS,I understand your feelings and disppointment,but Marc has a point,so do you.It should have been caught in qc.But a pm to Paulmay go along ways to making you happy.If you didnt already inquire. Not making light of you disappointment,any real experience should he open to discussion here,but Paul is a good guy,as you know with a good reputation.He would probably understand.
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Post by William Swiger on Aug 7, 2013 4:11:56 GMT
I have bought hundreds of swords over the years and sometimes some will slip by quality control. Have purchased swords well over the 300 dollar range that had to be returned and/or exchanged. It usually does not happen often but happens.
All the makers and vendors were easy to work with to solve any issues as long as the sword was not altered and in the same condition as I received it.
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Post by Ronin Katana on Aug 7, 2013 4:34:11 GMT
NS - Send the sword back to Ronin, and you'll be provided a refund through the SBG store once it arrives. When dealing with companies in the future, it would probably be easier to just email with a problem. The last email I have from you regarding this sword is 5 months old, and you said you were pleased with it. I can't solve a problem that I don't know exists, nor can Paul.
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Post by Paul on Aug 7, 2013 4:51:35 GMT
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Post by Novice_Surgery on Aug 7, 2013 6:28:41 GMT
Your right Chris. I finally identified it and totally flew off the handle. I love everything about that sword, and freaked out when I found something like that. I was actively trying to diagnose the blemish since I bought it but didnt realize how serious the issue was until now after trying many different methods to remove it. I was wrong and I fully admit that. The most offensive post has been removed as I myself am ashamed of my words in my anger. I hope you, and Paul Southren can accept this sincere apology for my behavior. I would understand if neither one of you would want to do anything for me and would have offered this apology with or without your help with my problem. You simply beat me to the post.
My sincerest apologies, David Pawlik
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Post by Novice_Surgery on Aug 7, 2013 7:24:08 GMT
No they have more defined lines than that. There also isnt any blackening of the steel except the light that wont reach inside the actual blemish. Isnt that black mark from a weld or something during the lamination process?
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Post by Novice_Surgery on Aug 7, 2013 7:32:11 GMT
The only different thing about it is on the saya, I started to sand a small portion of the bullhorn koiguchi because the laquer on it was chipped slightly when I got it but I didnt care in the least about it, I was going to try to make the bullhorn parts bare. I had just started so the portion of bullhorn that is sanded has 99% of the laquer still on it. The ito wrap has loosened and one of the end knots came undone and frayed but I fixed and retied it. The sageo has been tied in a cho musubi knot and the ends became frayed but I fixed them. The sword has never been disassembled and has only been through its own brown box once. All wear and tear is from dry handling but everything fittings wise is as tight as when I got it and the sword has suffered no actual damage since ive owned it.
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Post by Marc Kaden Ridgeway on Aug 7, 2013 10:06:32 GMT
Chris, Do me a favor please . When it makes its way to you , send it to me and let me push it to the breaking point ... And film it .
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Post by Jussi Ekholm on Aug 7, 2013 10:25:58 GMT
That above shows how great service Chris provides.
About the black spot, I must say I have the same conclusion as MK, it looks like a small pit in the surface.
However I'm completely in the same mind, that small pit like this won't make any noticeable difference to the performance of the sword. That above Bugei sword that I linked to this thread now after my basic rust removal polish has about 50 or so similar small pits or various sizes, and I still think it's perfectly usable sword.
But if you are not confident in cutting with that sword, then you shouldn't do it.
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Post by Judosailor on Aug 7, 2013 11:54:02 GMT
Subbed! Curious to see Marc's test results. TBH, I never would have thought such an infinitesimal blemish would have been anything other than cosmetic.
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Post by stickem on Aug 7, 2013 12:24:55 GMT
We all get passionate about swords, that's why we're here... Thing is, not sure Paul personally ever set eyes on this sword. That's what I meant about him not being physically at the SBG store to run all the day-to-day operations. This sword certainly hasn't been to Japan... So anyway, when ranting about things maybe better not to call out anyone by name specifically. I dunno the person who made this sword, and in truth, it was probably made by multiple people, so blaming one person doesn't make much sense when we look at it from that perspective
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Post by johnwalter on Aug 7, 2013 15:36:54 GMT
Oh good grief. Did I say it would break?No.Actually I said it was only a possibility.And th reasonable safe reply is dont cut with it.I dont know of a teacher who would say yea you can use it in my dojo for cutting while twenty people stand around and watch. Test it and see if it breaks Marc,sure many people would like to see it...on film.
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Post by Marc Kaden Ridgeway on Aug 7, 2013 16:29:02 GMT
To be honest john... there aren't many dojo where they are allowing a ko-katana for tameshigiri anyway. No ko-ryu , not Toyama Ryu . right? Certainly not Shinkendo, as Obata Sensei has set rigorous qualifications there , including a metal second mekugi...
Maybe bujinkan?
At any rate, the Ronin kokats are sturdy and fun swords . It will be fun to push this one and see just how far it goes.
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Post by Novice_Surgery on Aug 7, 2013 16:49:51 GMT
I dont think its gonna break either, but its not impossible, nor is it impossible for these holes to lead to further corrosion that would cause a failure in an amount of time no one can predict with any accuracy. The fact is, the blemish may only affect the sword cosmetically now, but what will happen when natural substances get inside the hole or if i cant see them or reach them over time is anyones guess. Its possible that i could unintentionally oil over acids already in the pit, sealing the corrosive inside the hole where its not going to evaporate due to the oil over it. or if it does evaporate, it will leave a material residue behind, like all evaporating liquids, promoting further corrosion. Im just considering basic chemistry here. Ive seen blades break in half because of a one millimeter chip, and ive seen a blade broken in half because of a pit not much wider in diameter than mine, his had been there from day 1 and he disregarded it, Over time corrosives built in the pit and corroded the inside of his blade. I saw the corrosion on the broken blade halves, inside the steel, because that spot is exactly where it broke. He is a heavy cutting practioner, and knows and performs proper maintenence. He owned that particular sword a little over a year. The sword was from one of the heavy hitters in the business.
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Post by johnwalter on Aug 7, 2013 16:59:01 GMT
No not in Toyama Ryu or Nakamura Ryu,as far as I know.I have been allowed to use one in class,tho just for cutting.I use a Munetoshi Nisshoku as my wakizashi at times. But it appears NS's does,since he bought a kokat for class.Doubt he would have bought it for class if his teacher didnt allow kokat Seems his issue has been taken care of tho,very nice.
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Post by Novice_Surgery on Aug 8, 2013 0:46:37 GMT
We are allowed to cut with whatever blade length is most comfortable to us. But only for cutting. The issue is being resolved more than adequately and I again apologize for my harsh words sincerely with my real name David Pawlik, not Novice_Surgery. I really wasnt thinking clearly at all at the time. I offer to remove any more posts deemed offensive to anyone here, and thank Chris, Marc, and the sbg store for making this right when no one had to do anything at all. Its more than nice this is being done for me, I got bent out of shape about it before even thinking and made a mistake; and they are STILL taking care of it outside the warranty.
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Post by chrisperoni on Aug 8, 2013 1:19:49 GMT
Hey David, all's well that ends well
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