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Post by melonfist on Jul 14, 2013 18:10:34 GMT
This is my first katana I ever had in my entire life.. The price : $1000 Where I bought : sbg store first impression : To tell the truth, I was disappointed very much.. the tsuka looked to me as if it were made of plastic instead of genuine ray skin.. and the most important thing.. the blade.. it wasn't sharp at all.. no.. it wasn't.. I bothered to cut a piece of paper with my kenshi katana, but it 'squashed', rather than sliced.. MY KENSHI KATANA COULDN'T EVEN CUT A PIECE OF PAPER.. I kind of hoped that it would be razor-sharp so it could even give me small wound when I simply touch the blade, but THE BLADE WAS BLUNT.. I asked for help to kendo experts, and they told me that most katana, in fact, are made not that sharp. I think I need more polishing.. The only thing I liked was the real hamon. this is my first katana in my life, so I know that I should not judge before I know more about katanas..
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Post by adamthedrummer on Jul 14, 2013 19:18:24 GMT
Wow its beautiful, next time wipe the oil off the blade before pics, try cutting from the tip and push the blade through, hold the paper tight at the top so it doesn't fold over, the same will be hard, almost plastic like, its real rayskin, Paul don't sell no cheap junk. :-)
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Post by Marc Kaden Ridgeway on Jul 14, 2013 20:01:31 GMT
Wow ,
Beautiful blade. Wonder why you didn't post a pic of the "plastic" samegawa ?
You thought you would get a wound from just touching the blade? Unrealistic expectations. That wouldn't even be a good idea , such an edge would be too fragile .
Sorry you are disappointed in your sword . Looks pretty awesome to me ( what I can see of it)
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Post by stickem on Jul 14, 2013 20:54:42 GMT
Melon ~ Please do not intentionally try to cut yourself with this, or any other sword :shock: Here is a recent example (within the last month) of a forum member who cut himself accidentally while working on a sword... People very good at tsukamaki (Frank the Bunny) and sword polishing (Keith Larman) have cut themselves in the last year accidentally as well. I accidentally cut my forearm with a blade too in the last year or so. Now whenever I rub my forearm, I feel tingling all the way down in my thumb from damaging the radial nerve, and so on... I am certain all of these people will tell you that you can cut the $h!+ out of yourself or someone else with a sword that appears "blunt," to use your word. Marketing people fill their sword ads with marketing-speak like "battle ready" and "full tang" and "razor sharp" in their descriptions. Take 'em with a grain of salt. Like most marketing terms, they don't mean much anyway and are used to baffle people who don't know the difference. For instance, when was the last time anyone you knew used a sword in a battle?!? Don't meet many guys walking around in full metal armor to battle with in my world :lol: If you really want a "razor sharp" blade, you can find people who make them specifically for this feature. One is : another is Hanwei XL: www.sword-buyers-guide.com/Practical-XL-Katana-review.htmlThese Hanwei are designed to have thin blade profiles for razor edges like this: Please keep in mind, depending on what your intent is with the sword, having a "razor sharp" edge may or may not be what you actually want... If you are shaving, this is good. If you are hitting a target that is more substantial than paper or hair, it may or may not be, depending on the sword and the target and the wielder Suggest you try your sword on something like green bamboo (rather than your finger or some paper) and tell us what you think about this sword after doing so Attachments:
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Jul 14, 2013 23:48:13 GMT
The quick and easy target test is a milk jug full of water, place on top of a plastic rubbish bin. Wipe the blade with a clean cotton rag from the back side of the blade. As someone who polishes blades in Australia I can assure you that blade is sharp enough to seriously cut you
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Jul 15, 2013 0:42:09 GMT
I realize everyones trying to be positive here, but if his katana blade wont slice paper its Not properly sharp. Even my horribly blunt hanwei euros were able to slice paper, and when i make a blade it WILL NOT sell it unless it can slice not only paper, but thick tooling leather with ease. I would be pissed if i bought a katana and it wasnt even paper cutting sharp. as for the samegawa being plastic...idts, paul wouldnt sell a sword with plastic samegawa and advertise as real. but forges DO make mistakes in sharpening, and it seems this one got past Quality Control.
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Post by Onimusha on Jul 15, 2013 1:11:50 GMT
Just because it won't shave paper doesn't mean it won't cut mats or bottles. Try it on some of that. If you can't cut those with proper edge alignment, then you have a problem, but not a huge one.
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Post by adamthedrummer on Jul 15, 2013 1:13:09 GMT
sounds like he should send it back for a service or replacement. paul is very serious about this line. :idea:
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Post by Marc Kaden Ridgeway on Jul 15, 2013 1:47:31 GMT
The point Wes , well my point anyway , is that this being his first sword , he may not even be using a viable technique to try slicing the paper. Sounds like he is expecting the sword to cut a dropped silk scarf in half . I mean , I have some swords sharp enough to shave paper , and even they will fold a sheet rather than slice it if I fumble it
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Jul 15, 2013 1:53:00 GMT
ah, now i see what you mean, he could be doing it wrong. I dont expect a blade to shave hair or cut a dropped cloth, but it Should be able to slice a standard sheet of paper, assuming of course its being done right.
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Post by adamthedrummer on Jul 15, 2013 1:56:16 GMT
thats true...my budo will crumple paper if I just chop at it.
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Post by chrisperoni on Jul 15, 2013 3:27:56 GMT
how do I say this without sounding mean, because I don't intend to sound mean-- but you must be doing it wrong. That sword will cut - paper, you, tatami, bottles, etc etc. And what I can see of the blade looks very well done, with sharp definition between each facet
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Post by Onimusha on Jul 15, 2013 3:30:25 GMT
You cut in a drawing motion. You can't just lay the edge on the paper and expect it to push through. Blades need friction to cut.
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Post by melonfist on Jul 15, 2013 5:53:34 GMT
Thanks for all these comments from kind people..
I will cut at least water bottle next time and write a new post.
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Post by kaiyo on Jul 15, 2013 7:56:20 GMT
i dont like the term of "razor sharp" katana but like Saito mentioned - every katana should be able to slice paper easily, that doesn't necessarily mean its razor sharp just properly sharpend, (dont compare Euro with Japanese swords, they are different) also we talk about a 1000$ sword, i think you can expect a fine edge that will still cut hard targets without damage of course you have to do it properly - with a slicing motion i think because this is your first sword you just do it wrong ... ?
im sure your Katana is properly sharpend but only if you cut with it you know for sure, and if not i would sent it back
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Post by Bigwill on Jul 18, 2013 20:31:28 GMT
Don't listen to the naysayers, melonfist. Sounds like he sword's a piece of junk.
Tell you what, I'll give you $100 for it, just cause I'm a nice guy...
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Post by Bluntsword on Jul 19, 2013 0:59:39 GMT
I agree with Bigwill, just because I'm even nicer then him I'll give you $150 plus shipping for that really bad, blunt sword.
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Post by FHideg on Jul 19, 2013 3:17:35 GMT
Heck I'll do even better, I'll give u $300, and in less than 10 min, I'll have it slicing all the paper you want. :mrgreen: But seriously contact Paul at SBG, he will be able to address all your concerns. :idea:
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Post by Timberwolf on Jul 21, 2013 13:47:49 GMT
Dang. I was going to make an offer on that beautiful katana ... uhh ... I mean PIECE OF CRAP, but it looks like the vultures are already circling ... :lol: Hey, Melonfist? Contrary to my nature, I'll also be nice here for a minute or so, and tell you that I just tried to slice a piece of paper with my STRAIGHT RAZOR by pushing it onto the blade. It cut an eighth of an inch, and then folded up! :roll: I'd be deathly afraid to try it, and you should thank your guardian angel that you didn't do serious damage to your thumb/finger like that with your kat! I'm sure you received a very nice kat. At that price point, through Paul and his people, they aren't going to let an unfinished sword make it onto the truck. OK? Now. My normal self has to ask you. Did you contact Paul first with your "issues" to see if he could explain them to you or possibly remedy the situation if something needed to be resolved?
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Post by Robert in California on Jul 21, 2013 14:38:14 GMT
Sorry you were disappointed. We can all offer thoughts and suggestions. The best being to talk to Paul.
Perhaps another idea would be to see if you can find a local sword authority and get a 2nd opinion...if you are new at this hobby.
I like razor sharpness (or at least sharp enough to shave hair off my arm) in my knives. But a sword, like an axe, needs to take impact/shock and the occasional bad cut well. So a less razor sharp, less "straight razor" shaped blade geometry is good for all us mere mortals.
Doing a good re-polish to re-sharpen a sword is hard for most of us. A more axe-shaped bevel stays sharp longer.
RinC
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