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Post by Jeffrey Ching on Aug 14, 2013 12:28:11 GMT
[/attachment] )[/quote] Nice picture bro Workshop looks kinda familiar though...
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Post by chopper on Aug 14, 2013 15:03:22 GMT
I doubt what ever I say will make any difference but Paul has always had a great reputation for putting out quality swords and has always stood behind what has been sold through the store. What is sold through the store is suppose to be quality control checked and I really can't recall but maybe a few times where someone has publicly said that they had to return a sword because of a problem. I also know that he went to China to to make the arrangements to have these swords produced. I seriously doubt that he would have spent that much time and probably his personal money to travel to a different country to have a poor quality sword made to be sold through the SBG store to the community for $1,000. I find it strange that the first or one of the first reviews of this sword is negative. The stores customer service is superb and Paul will bend over backwards to make things right. I hope that you contacted Paul first before posting this review, to give him the opportunity to resolve any issues. I sure wish I had 1K to drop on one of these swords. Doesn't add up to me. Hope everything works out for you.
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Post by frankthebunny on Aug 15, 2013 1:11:47 GMT
Has anyone else reviewed a project x sword yet?
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Post by junon on Aug 15, 2013 1:34:54 GMT
Well, do remember that this is *production* sword, not custom. There is always a chance (albeit small) that a lemon pass through the QC somehow; so please keep that in mind. Nevertheless, I doubt the Project X is that bad... It might be not perfect, but can't be that bad - after all, this is $1000 sword
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Post by kaiyo on Aug 15, 2013 1:44:39 GMT
well honestly at 1000$ i expect that not to happen
i do remember o lot of damaged or blemished X katana were sold on SBG store, maybe they really messed up that batch ?
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Post by junon on Aug 15, 2013 3:01:00 GMT
Yes... I agree with you... For $1000 pieces, if it's really QC problem, then that sucks...
As for blemished project X katana... If I remember correctly... they imported more than the one being sold so the vendor can cherry pick the good one... the one that failed the QC would be sold as blemish thing (cracked saya, etc)... Or is it for pre-order thing (pre-order now and get the best one in the batch)? I forgot the detail...
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Post by Jussi Ekholm on Aug 15, 2013 20:54:03 GMT
I believe this is the first review of one, if this can be called a review, as there are only couple pics of the blade and no statistics or general feelings about the sword, except the dislike towards the sword.
As he bought this for 1000$, he got some of those last ones, those who pre-ordered got theirs for 900$, and the best swords were sent to them. Which is logical as they partially funded the whole project.
By the means of time travel I was able to get the knowledge that SBG/Ronin matched the number of pre-order to get some stock. And if there would be flawed swords, they would be sold as factory 2nd's.
I don't know the numbers how many were made etc. I remember seeing 2 Factory second Project X's at SBG Store that sold very quickly. I know there has also been 2 Project X's for sale by fellow SBG members one flawed and one brand new.
But it's always sad to hear that someone is disappointed in their new sword, even more so when the sword costs 1000$'s. Hopefully you can provide more info and pictures of the sword.
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Post by adamthedrummer on Aug 15, 2013 21:12:27 GMT
Well I for one still have high hopes for these katana. They look superb to me in pics anyway. :-)
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Post by frankthebunny on Aug 16, 2013 1:19:15 GMT
Jussi, are you sure about this? I'm finding it hard to believe that because someone did not place their order ahead of time and wound up paying $100 more because of this, they then only get a sword of lesser quality. It just doesn't make sense.
If this is the way it works what is the actual difference in quality? I'm guessing that if this is true at all then the difference would have to be so minute that one probably wouldn't even be able to tell but this is still not making a lot of sense.
So this means there are the swords that pass what I'm assuming is a qc of very high standards (because of the price especially) sold by pre-order for $900, and then there are those pieces that don't pass and are sold as seconds but only because they not perfect but are still fully functional and sold for less than $900, and then the post order swords are not as good as the pre-order and not as bad as the seconds but cost $100 more than the perfect ones?
Can someone confirm this?
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Post by Marc Kaden Ridgeway on Aug 16, 2013 2:00:50 GMT
The way I understand it , two were made of every sword that were preordered because of the high failure rate during heat treat of laminated blades. So if 20 were ordered , 40 were made to ensure 20 good blades. After inspection , let's say 10 blades failed. The worst of these might be remade. The others might be sold as seconds , but all sold as first quality would be first quality. The preordered ones would just be cherry picked. Trust me Chris's QC is out of this world on the Elites... the one he sent me for destruction was perfect to the naked eye... there was some almost unperceivable "uneven polish " on the ha.
The $100 discount was for preordering... that's a pretty common practice in MANY industries.
That's my understanding.
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Post by Ronin Katana on Aug 16, 2013 2:42:41 GMT
Marc, I appreciate you trying to address this as I am no longer an active poster here. First I want to apologize in advance for diverting any attention away from the OP in expressing their opinion. Should you consider my post as interfering with your review, simply ask Marc to delete or move it.
That said, I'll respond to the generalized questions about Project X, since I am in the best position to do so. As I won't make a follow up post, future questions should be addressed to Paul and his staff at the SBG store.
Project X offers a discount to buyers who pre-purchase. Since their money is tied up for several months, they deserve a discount. Once the order arrives, those buyers are shipped their swords first. No other swords will ship until the pre-sale customers are made happy with theirs. This is currently going with the Project X jian. Basically, if you are not happy, we'll send you another one. If you are still not satisfied, we'll offer a full refund. The rest of the shipment is not released until we are certain we can accommodate any requests for a replacement from the pre-sale buyers.
Swords with issues are set aside prior to shipping and are not offered as seconds until the line is sold out of first quality. Swords that come back are also carefully inspected to discern why they were returned. Out of nearly 100 Project X katana, 4-5 were failed due to saya issues related to shipping. Three exchanges and one refund were requested out of the entire shipment.
Do people who purchased after the pre-sale get the shaft on quality? Of course not. However if the inventory is low, there is no guarantee we can offer an exchange if a buyer is not happy. Only the pre-sale buyers have this guarantee. It's a perk, just like the discount.
So where are the reviews? Who can say. Hundreds of the elites have also been sold, and those are rarely reviewed as well.
Hopefully this has answered most of the questions about how Project X works. Further inquires should be addressed to Paul and staff at the SBG store.
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Post by adamthedrummer on Aug 16, 2013 2:50:35 GMT
Maybe they're so entranced by the deep hamon that they can't look away long enough to type??? Seriously tho' it sounds like maybe the op doesn't know what to expect with a katana . :-)
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Post by Kuya on Aug 16, 2013 5:28:39 GMT
Am I the only person old enough to understand the reference of this gem of humor? This post made my night!
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Post by frankthebunny on Aug 16, 2013 5:48:12 GMT
Well the official explanation sounds more like what I would have expected and makes more sense.
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Post by Onimusha on Aug 16, 2013 6:34:05 GMT
"The bodyguard"
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Aug 16, 2013 9:05:48 GMT
Onimusha you're just a pup.
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Post by Jussi Ekholm on Aug 16, 2013 10:05:56 GMT
Thanks for the nice explanation Chris. That's about how I thought it would have been. And it's nice to hear that Project X did well, those who preordered were treated like kings. It's understandable that there are no reviews on the swords, very few people write reviews on the things they have bought. I wish that more forumites could take couple of pics and measurements and tell their feelings of a certain product. As reviews on this forum have been a great help for me.
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Aug 16, 2013 15:30:10 GMT
"There can be only one!" Connor McLeod
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