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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jan 8, 2008 3:55:54 GMT
oh on a side note united got bought out by the company that owns bud-k don't know if thats good or bad yet:)
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Post by rammstein on Jan 8, 2008 3:58:08 GMT
Very well said DI. Too bad I missed this thread or I'd have had an absolute field day  In short, calling us whiny stupid atheists "Whiny stupid atheists" is rather inflammitory. How would you feel it we we whiny stupid atheists decided to call all believers of any religion "Whiny superstitious cavemen?" Rather insulting no? Don't do it to others - Everyone's got their own beliefs and are fully entitled to them. If some atheist made you angry once, that's cool, just don't take it out on the rest of us who HAVEN"T earned your spite. FWIW - I love Narnia as well. Yes, me, a whiny stupid atheist. |
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Jan 8, 2008 4:08:15 GMT
i'm gonna give birdman the benefit of the doubt, as assume he was saying that there were people complaining that were whining stupid athiests; but NOT that he believes all athiests are wining and stupid. Like he's saying there were wining stupid men complaining about X, he wouldn't be taken to think that all men are wining and stupid.
It's easy to interpret things several ways in print, and like Paul said we should assume only the most positive interpretation. In that light it wasn't inflamatory.
Besides, Narnia was as much an avenue for C.S Lewis' opinions on his political, sexist, racist, and other agenda, as on religion. Christians jumped on the Narnia bandwagon without really understanding what a Prick CS Lewis actually was and what his agenda really was.
I've read analogies how mental CS Lewis' views were, but I can separate that from what I find was a very enjoyable story.
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jan 8, 2008 4:16:07 GMT
I'm a die hard pagan and still think it was a cool story (evan the "made for tv movies"on pbs)talk about low-budget
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Jan 8, 2008 4:21:02 GMT
I'll dabble in Spirituality, Christianity and Bhuddism etc., with zero fanaticism for anything. It's a very big place this universe, and the fact that it's infinite means there are endless truths. So each to their own. Pity people hold to doctrines.
Cool sword but hey?
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jan 8, 2008 4:28:55 GMT
blessed be!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2008 5:42:26 GMT
I have absolutely no problems with this movie, because as far as I see it, the movie will be most lacking in any Christian overtones, similar as to how the recent Golden Compass was mostly lacking in any atheist overtones. It's all in how you looks at it. I don't know .. calling your external soul a demon and expecting everyone to go ... "OK ... that's totally cool!" .... that was stupid of the author and Hollywood. I can think of a few words that would have been a lot less controversial than DEMON for term of the soul. |
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Post by kidcasanova on Jan 8, 2008 6:02:07 GMT
The only whiney liberal athiest who ever said that C.S. Lewis's books were 'christian propoganda' was the guy who WROTE "The Golden Compass". He wrote it specifically to counter CS Lewis' books, but frankly, if he's trying to teach that there is no god then, he's failed miserably so far. But since the word 'religion' is taboo here, I'll not get into it any more than that for fear of pissing off other members of the board. Anyway that's one part of the magic of the Narnia books. They're loaded with symbolism, subtext, and so forth, but if you want to read/watch the books/movies without all that, they still make amazing stories. As an aside... why is it that we have to cater to the athiests and leave religion completely out of the boards when clearly the majority have a belief system of somekind? Adam, the forum isn't catering to anyone, Atheist or otherwise. There is simply a rule against the discussion of religion. Every religion (belief systems included). Obviously, from the looks of your post (and many others), the rule is there for a pretty good reason. |
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jan 8, 2008 6:09:27 GMT
pretty libiaral
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Post by YlliwCir on Jan 8, 2008 6:48:59 GMT
I think movies are taken way to seriously. I like to focus on the important stuff. Sex, violence and swords.
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Post by kidcasanova on Jan 8, 2008 6:59:32 GMT
Amen, Ric!
Things get taken way out of hand when really, there's nothing offensive about them.
Here's to lightening the mood a little. ;D
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Post by randomnobody on Jan 8, 2008 7:01:02 GMT
Mostly violence and swords. Okay, mostly swords...
I can't remember the last movie I watched, but I'm pretty sure I didn't like it very much, but not because of its relation to a book, or its views on various social matters i.e. religion etc. but probably because it was poorly written, poorly cast, and poorly produced.
On second though, that may be due for a correction. I think the last movie I watched was 300. I rather enjoyed it, but it left me feeling it could have been better, not for historical stuffs, but seriously, guys, what the hell were those things? I'd much rather watch armies of Joe Somebody fighting an opposing army of John Otherguy than half-naked muscle men versus crazy freakish monsters of psycho dude. I think that was my only gripe about the movie, actually... Story was damn good, cast was commendable, well-written albeit the history thing, and production was through the roof... If only more movies left me with that impression....
Anyway, when was this movie out, again? Has anybody gotten the license for the sword yet?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2008 7:16:40 GMT
i'm a big fan of all the really good fantasy books that have been made into movies lately... though the movies have really dissapointed me....
narnia was a great movie however, and stayed very true to the story and feel of the books in general. also a great movie on its own. best job of any of these new fantasy movies i'd say. well pan's labrynth was damn good too... now those are movies that cand stand up to more classic fantasy movies like willow and the princess bride.
and all this athiest/religious nonsense pertaining to fictional literature is rediculous. the whole idea of fantasy (and sci-fi, and lots of other books too... ) is to explore other words, and in a way to use other worlds to explore our own. yes c .s. lewis was christian, yes tolkien was christian, yes pullman is an athiest.... and yes you can see how their beliefs play a part in the philosophies presented by each book. but they are just that; ideas, philosophies, thoughts to be shared. to be honest i see tolkien, c.s. lewis, and pullman as presenting ideas in their stories that match up with each other in many ways even if their religious beliefs are different.
does anyone get mad at shakespeare for having faries in "A midsummer nights dream"? i mean come on, oberon is in there, and puck (clearly derived from pan... a pagen god). i'd say lots of shakespeares ideas (there's so many of them of course) seem to me to be more Toaist than christian. does that lesson the wonderful philosophy to be found in his plays? of course not.
i am not a christian, but i can read work by christians and appreciate it, and agree with ideas presented in their stories if i want to. just as i can appreciate, support, and agree with many of the teachings of many different churches and philosophies.
ideas and stories are linked, we might not like all the ideas that we come accross, but thats just the way it is.
if anyone wants to read some cool stories with interesting philosophies check out "The Alchemist" by Paulo Coelho and "Jitterbug Perfume" by tom Robbins
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jan 8, 2008 7:17:17 GMT
who had license last
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2008 7:21:20 GMT
Care to point out the sexist or racist parts? Cuz I read the books often and have somehow missed the sexist and racist parts every time...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2008 7:42:24 GMT
I don't know .. calling your external soul a demon and expecting everyone to go ... "OK ... that's totally cool!" .... that was stupid of the author and Hollywood. I can think of a few words that would have been a lot less controversial than DEMON for term of the soul. i missed this post before my little ramble just now... Centurion, he actually calls them daemons. this is a non christian refference. the word daemon origionally came from the greeks and pullman was not refering to a bad or evil being. here's the first paragraph of wiki's page on "daemon" since they say it better than i can. "The words daemon, dæmon, are Latinized spellings of the Greek  (daimon),[1] used purposely today to distinguish the daemons of Ancient Greek religion, good or malevolent "supernatural beings between mortals and gods, such as inferior divinities and ghosts of dead heroes" (see Plato's Symposium), from the Judeo-Christian usage demon, a malignant spirit that can seduce, afflict, or possess humans. This notion of the daemon as a spiritual being of a lowly order that is largely evil and certainly dangerous has its origin in Plato and his pupil Xenocrates;[2]" before bashing people and their ideas its nice to know what they are talking about |
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Post by kidcasanova on Jan 8, 2008 7:43:18 GMT
Seriously, guys, this was a thread started about a sword from the new Prince Caspian film. NOT a thread about why Lewis was a so and so person or how his books preach such and such.
We're all fairly mature adults, I'd like to think we could talk like so, without belittling ourselves to arguing over who believes what. We should be less vain that that.
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jan 8, 2008 7:46:57 GMT
tried that a page ago
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Jan 8, 2008 8:06:14 GMT
I don't see why we can't discuss the Narnia books or Lewis' motives. As long as we're not being confrontational. As I said before, I don't think birdman was being confrontational to start with. Care to point out the sexist or racist parts? Cuz I read the books often and have somehow missed the sexist and racist parts every time... Sexist: Lewis had a fear of women and a thing against them. It's been a while since I read the analogy of him, but it is shown in the stories. The Evil characters of the White witch, and the Green Whitch. The green whitch who seduces and opresses Rilian. When Lewis was 18 he was in a relationship with a 55 year old lady, who dominated him and "Treated him like a servent by inventing Petty Demands" - Colbert In The Last Battle - Susan has turned her back on Narnia to pursue Socialising and Sex and other superficial pursuits. Racist - I think it was Puddleglum who is kind of like a Jar Jar Binks Slavey Character. Always calls the witch "Ma'am" "The background of The Horse and His Boy is hostility between the Fair Skinned Narnians and the Dark Skinned Calormenes - a distinction in skin colour that Lewis Connects to Ideas of good and evil. This Conflict reappears in "The Last Battle"" - David Colbert. In letters between Lewis and His brothe Warren who was visit China, Warren remarked "it is impossible to visualise these disgusting creatures as human beings at all, or even as animals", to which lewis agreed "One can't help feeling that when people are so very different as all that, one has no business to be connected with them at all". He was blatantly racist against many nationalities and cultures. In the last Battle the Wicked Dwarfes ridiculed the Calormenes as 'Darkies'. "Many critics have noted that the Calormenes are discribed with a ctalogue of Racist remarks about Muslims. Calormenes would sooner lie than tell the truth; they can't think logically; they're cruel to animals, and crueller to people; they're filthy; they worship idols" - Colbert. Its an interesting read. I got it off ebay. Heres some: cgi.ebay.com.au/MAGICAL-WORLDS-OF-NARNIA-LITERARY-LEGEND-COMPANION-BK_W0QQitemZ120206143883QQihZ002QQcategoryZ378QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638.m122cgi.ebay.com.au/The-Magical-Worlds-of-Narnia-Childrens-Fiction_W0QQitemZ260147111166QQihZ016QQcategoryZ1097QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638.m118 |
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Post by YlliwCir on Jan 8, 2008 8:14:01 GMT
Seriously, guys, this was a thread started about a sword from the new Prince Caspian film. NOT a thread about why Lewis was a so and so person or how his books preach such and such. We're all fairly mature adults, I'd like to think we could talk like so, without belittling ourselves to arguing over who believes what. We should be less vain that that. Actually, Kid, I myself am very vain indeed. Good thing I'm so good looking. |
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