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Post by john570 on Dec 28, 2012 14:35:45 GMT
I'm curious. If you were going to have Orcrist custom made to how you picture it in your head. How would you have it done? Who would you have make it? What would the sword look like (blade and hilt shape)? Would you have jewels on it? But the main reason im asking is what should be written on Orcrist, in either ruins or tengwar? Tolkien's was so vague on its description and it's history.
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Post by Lunaman on Dec 28, 2012 19:50:24 GMT
It would look like this.Blue stone in the cross and the pommel. Runes. I'd have Brenno and Jeffrey Robinson make it with a hilt in Bronze and red leather, or I'd have John Lundemo make it in steel.
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Post by william m on Dec 28, 2012 21:10:50 GMT
Mmmm very nice. That sword looks much more as the sister blade to glamdring than the sword they designed for the films.
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Post by john570 on Dec 28, 2012 21:55:00 GMT
Yet another one of your designs I love. It's far better then the movie version.
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Post by Deepbluedave on Dec 28, 2012 21:58:37 GMT
Once again Luna, you prove that your skills with the pencil are just brilliant. I'll second Luna choices, but will add Raven Armories as well thought their waiting period is over two years and counting.
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Post by BIGGORILLAINK on Dec 28, 2012 22:05:17 GMT
Lunaman bringing the heat this looks killer! I would luv to take a crack at this time to bust out the moleskin and do some drawing. I just saw the Hobbit 3D HFR it was amazing to say the least what a great idea for a custom sword.
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Post by Lunaman on Dec 28, 2012 22:18:32 GMT
Thanks a lot, guys! That's what I was aiming for. I don't totally dislike the movie version, I just got a little irked by the backwards grip and the fact that it has more in common with Sting than with Glamdring. :lol:
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Post by john570 on Dec 28, 2012 22:32:52 GMT
I'm with ya. There are things about it I like and dislike but in the end I wouldn't mind having it.
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Post by john570 on Dec 28, 2012 23:03:57 GMT
What would you have written on the sword. Would you do it in ruins, tengwar or both and we're would you put it?
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Post by Lunaman on Dec 28, 2012 23:30:51 GMT
Mine just has runes that saw "Orcrist" and "serpent's tooth," I think. At the guard and within the pommel depression.
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Post by john570 on Dec 31, 2012 15:32:50 GMT
I would defiantly have Orcrist (goblin cleaver) in ruins on it. I was thinking maybe something about it being entombed with Thorin. So maybe guardian of the kingdom under the mountain. And maybe something about it glowing and the goblins calling it Biter.
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Post by john570 on Jan 6, 2013 14:54:36 GMT
If anyone was any good ideas about anything cool that would be fitting to have put on Orcrist throw them this way.
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Post by KaOsBlaKbLaDe on Mar 26, 2013 13:43:34 GMT
Just a couple of things,.. ruins= " a place in an extreme state of direpair " runes - symbols used to represent words, sounds etc. Given that Orcrist was created looooong before the third age when found by the dwarves, shouldn't the language for engraving be qenya? This always confuses me when it come to Tolkein's languages.
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Post by john570 on Mar 26, 2013 14:09:18 GMT
Sorry for the typo my cell screws up a lot. I'm not sure, Fundlithui seems to be very knowledgeable in the subject.
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Post by Elheru Aran on Mar 26, 2013 14:15:44 GMT
Quenya is older than Sindarin, but not by much. Sindarin was largely used in Middle-Earth before the great return of the Elves from Valinor. You can see this distinction in the 'High Elves' and the 'Grey Elves', thanks to its origin in the kingdom of Elwe Singollo, "Greycloak", Thingol of Doriath who built one of the strongest Elven kingdoms in Beleriand with the aid of Melian the Maia.
It's always been an interesting question to me as to whether the city of Gondolin would have spoken primarily Sindarin or Quenya... it strikes me that if you think of the Silmarillion as sort of a "Roman Empire" or "Classical Age" period of Middle-Earth history, it makes some sense to think of Quenya as Greek, the classical language of antiquity, used by scholars and the intellectuals. Sindarin, on the other hand, is like Latin, the lingua franca-- everybody knows it, but it's not necessarily the 'fancy' language. But then that does raise the question of why it's used in runes on prestige weapons...
Hah! Cross-post, Findlithui!
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Post by KaOsBlaKbLaDe on Mar 26, 2013 14:25:08 GMT
Elheru, i like the comparison to the roman empire. It's been so long since reading the silmarillion, but for whatever reason i liken the languages to greek and roman, much like you, only in the exact opposite way. I really need to refresh my brain with this stuff. I think some of the neural pathways have corroded over time through age and the "halflings herbs". Why does my memory keep telling me that qenya was given to the elves from the Maia?? Tengwar, sindarin and quenya oh my!!!! IT HURTS IT HURTS,... make it STOP!!!
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Post by Elheru Aran on Mar 26, 2013 14:41:00 GMT
Not sure where the Elven 'languages' came from, but my understanding: The Elves spoke one tongue when they were born under the stars. Then the greater part of them migrated to Valinor, and the tongue they spoke there became Quenya. The Elves that were left behind in Middle-Earth were the Sindar, Grey-Elves that had never seen the Light of the Trees of Valinor, thus Sindarin. Quenya is the 'higher' tongue as it's been exposed to the Valar and Maiar, the angelic beings in charge of Middle-Earth. If you want to draw more parallels, Numenor was more of a Roman Empire than the Silmarillion-era Middle-Earth was... but that's kinda off topic
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Post by KaOsBlaKbLaDe on Mar 26, 2013 15:37:26 GMT
I think my confusion stems from forgetting the migration to valinor. Qenya is what i remember as the "first" language. Was it Feanor that "invented" Tengwar?? It's painfully obvious that i have to brush up on some more of this stuff, it's funny how the mind works, but i feel like i had a much better grasp of this stuff when i was a kid.
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Post by john570 on Mar 27, 2013 16:54:04 GMT
If Glamdring belonged to Turgon. To which of the twelve houses of gondolindrim did Orcrist most likely belong to? I'm guessing Orcrist belonged to Ecthelion or was carried by Turgon daisho style along with glamdring. What do you guys think?
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