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Post by etiennehamel on Dec 19, 2012 18:10:48 GMT
i was wondering how both would react on the same kind of target like the 3'' sappling limbs paul cut with the CS gim? i would like to know if the hanwei cutting jian could be on the same step than the CS gim in cutting performances be it light, medium, hard AND very hard. never saw a destructive review of the cutting jian....
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Dec 19, 2012 18:26:06 GMT
I owned both... never did any destructive tests with either... but with the cutting I did do, I found the CS Gim to perform better and handle more naturally then then the PC Cutting Jian. That said... I have no training/experience with proper CSA and therefor can't speak to which sword is a better version of type... but I preferred the CS Gim myself.
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Post by ineffableone on Dec 19, 2012 20:13:43 GMT
PC Cutting Jian?
Is that the same one as the Scott Rodell hanwei cutting Jian or a different one?
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Post by etiennehamel on Dec 19, 2012 21:53:21 GMT
if it is not the same just to clarify i meant the hanwei/rodell cutting jian.
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Post by willhart on Dec 19, 2012 23:06:42 GMT
I think he was refering to the old school name for Hanwei, which is the owner Paul Chen. There is only one "cutting jian" and it's the Scott Rodell Hanwei Cutting Jian.
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Dec 20, 2012 3:34:50 GMT
Yes, I'm referring to the Scott Rondell one.
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Post by etiennehamel on Dec 20, 2012 3:57:19 GMT
can you tell us the differences you noted between the two if you can? i mean since you're not a CSA practitionner and me neither even so it would be nice to know your point of view.
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Dec 20, 2012 4:43:16 GMT
Sure... the CS Gim just looked a lot better to me. The wood and brass with the detail work, it was a more attractive sword. Also... the CS was smaller, more compact... with a much smaller grip. I could almost get two hands on the Hanwei Cutting Jian grip. Felt weird in one hand. The CS came sharper out of the box... felt faster and moved better... and cut a lot better for me on bottles and jugs. I never cut mats with either.
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Post by etiennehamel on Dec 20, 2012 5:44:37 GMT
ah i see where the difference lies then thanks for sharing  its a matter of preference i think, the toughness from what i've read on both so far seem to be quite similar (paul cutting a 3'' sappling branch with the CS gim and scott rodell hitting a dead tree with his hanwei cutting jian) so if it is a matter of fittings and grip then like i said it is a matter of preferences. does the CS gim came with an appleseed geometry edge? could explain the ''lack'' of sharpness from the HCJ? |
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Dec 20, 2012 13:29:06 GMT
Pretty much all hanwei swords that are not katana have been hit and miss on edge sharpness in my experience... To qualify, my experience includes not just the 50+ non katana hanwei swords I have personally owned, but also the hundreds I've handled as a shipper... Including over 10 hanwei cutting Jians. If the cs gim had a bevel it was very slight and well blended. It was just a keener, sharper edge then the hanwei.
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Post by etiennehamel on Dec 20, 2012 17:46:10 GMT
i see, thanks for your clarifications. i see both have a different level of polish do you think it be a factor in the performance of the two? sorry if i insist too much on asking questions, sometimes i may be a bit annoying and must be why sinoswords doesn'T answer me anymore :lol:
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Dec 20, 2012 18:10:07 GMT
The CS Gim was polished to a much higher degree... a near mirror polish... while the Hanwei cutting Jian had a more satin polish. Not sure how much that may have effected the two swords... but we are talking about to very different blades in shape, length, weight, geometry, edge... really everything. So its hard to point to any one factor and say "This is why" when talking about why the CS Gim moved and cutter better for me then the Hanwei Jian.
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Post by willhart on Dec 20, 2012 19:40:55 GMT
I have a Hanwei Cutting Jian. I have to agree with Sean. The long handle does make it a little more awkward, but it also allows you to grip it with 2 hands and when you do it feels like you're not even holding onto anything. The sword is light, but with 2 hands it feels almost too light. But if Scott Rodell can cut bamboo with it one handed, it should have enough cutting power to cut through most cutable targets. Also with 2 hands, this sword can become a good multi-cut trick cutter.
Also the Hanwei blade came sharp enough to cut water bottles with, but definately not razer sharp. I had to sharpen mine up so I could cut pool noodles with it.
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Post by Lobster Hunter on Dec 20, 2012 20:49:21 GMT
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Post by MakChingYuen on Dec 20, 2012 20:51:10 GMT
+1 for CS GIm vote here, I own this but not the cutting sword, but somehow I just can't find the cutting sword attractiveness to my eyes. For that kind of price, not really tempting...
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Post by etiennehamel on Dec 20, 2012 21:28:20 GMT
even though i love the plain look and the shape of the fittings, i had something in mind with the style fittings the cutting jian has... sadly i don't have the tools and the skills... i'm sure Mak you would have loved what i envisionned the only thing that i don't like about the CS gim is the nut on the pommel i prefer a hex nut if they could do that on the gim it would have been awesome... |
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Post by MakChingYuen on Dec 20, 2012 21:30:16 GMT
haha~ mine has a hex nut, maybe a newer release?
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Post by etiennehamel on Dec 20, 2012 22:00:00 GMT
by hex nut i meant an allen one like on the hanwei one.
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Post by Turok on Dec 20, 2012 22:10:53 GMT
My opinion is that if you want a jian for historical cutting and CMA practice then go with the Rodell jian. If you want cutting practice and a damn fine collector's piece then go with the CS gim!
The Rodell jian has a slight, historical turtoise shell/appleseed geometry and although it is not "razor" sharp, it's designed for really tough cutting. The Rodell jian is built like a tank with stainless steel fittings so rust shouldn't be an issue. It has a thick tang, the fittings are nailed seamlessly into the scabbard, and the blade is really durable but well balanced.
I've also experience the ColdSteel gim (the older model) and it has a flat diamond geometry. It's a fine sword, kinda heavy for its size but very sharp. I'm sure it would take on any light to medium targets. The bronze fittings are nice but I believe it was epoxied on (at least the one I saw). The old one had cast marks on it and it kinda turned me off but the current model (the one Lobster Hunter and MakChingYuen have) is much more better!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2012 23:37:38 GMT
Both are great swords, I agree with Turok's comments.
Scott Rodell's Cutting Jian is a design improvement over the Huanuo jian he also sells, and the CS is a Huanuo jian manufactured to Cold Steel's specifications.
Here's a cutting test on 2" dry bamboo with the Rodell Hanwei cutting jian:
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its a matter of preference i think, the toughness from what i've read on both so far seem to be quite similar (paul cutting a 3'' sappling branch with the CS gim and scott rodell hitting a dead tree with his hanwei cutting jian) so if it is a matter of fittings and grip then like i said it is a matter of preferences.
