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Post by MakChingYuen on Nov 21, 2012 3:43:51 GMT
haha.. yeah over $1k for a dao, wah.. that's like using money to hit the wooden post.. it should break, hahaaha.. If that thing chip, I am going to F hanwei so bad in the @ss.. ! LOL! I like that, but I like the QinLong imperial dao more.. haha.. double the price at 7star's website but I like the design more and it's a genuine replica too!
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Post by Kuya on Nov 21, 2012 5:55:47 GMT
Since this is "the" dao topic now, could someone please list what kind of specs the "wide katana / saber type with the downward curving handle" dao have as their "normal/average/median/whatever," please? That way, when I shop for a dao, I can determine whether or not I'm buying one that's "lighter/thinner" or "heavier/thicker" than what's historically "normal."
Length? Width? Thickness? Weight?
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Post by Turok on Nov 21, 2012 6:23:22 GMT
I'm not to sure which one you're talking about Kuya as their are many daos that match your description. There are two daos that follow your description that I can think of- the luiyedao and the yanmaodao. Try looking at Linda Heenan's website, she has a very thorough information on almost each dao. here is the link www.chinese-swords-guide.com/chinese-swords.htmlAccording to the GRTC article, the luiyedao and yanmaodao are classified by the curvature of the blade. I don't think it has much to do with the handle or the fittings it came with because they were always many different varieties. Both blades look "katana-ish" but were used in very different times in Chinese history. The Beile dao matches the description of a yanmaodao. Too bad that Hanwei video did not show us closeups of the blade after that demonstration. If Mr. Rodell sells the Beile dao on his company website, then I assume it's a pretty good blade!
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Post by Kuya on Nov 21, 2012 6:34:52 GMT
Well, I figured the "basic" dao shape was the one that the Dynasty Forge Manchurian, Hanwei Beille (spelling?), Hanwei Song Sword, Kris Cutlyer Dao IV, the one linked that Swordsmith668 sells, etc... Hanwei Beile Dynasty Forge Manchurian Kris Cutlyer Dao IV Whatever this basic shape is.
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Post by Turok on Nov 21, 2012 6:41:43 GMT
Well I think it's wrong to assume that the "basic" dao was the luiyedao or yanmaodao. Those swords were used mostly by the Imperial Army and for officers. The martial artist however used a lot of different daos, including the popular nuiweidao or the ox-tail dao (sometimes called a broadsword).
Dao can mean simply knife but can be translated as saber. The one that Mr. Rodell made design plans for was the luiyedao, the willow leaf saber.
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Post by Kuya on Nov 21, 2012 6:45:34 GMT
So the Rodell concept dao was what I would consider a "basic" one (the Luiyedao)? Seems that it's the most common one when I look them up on eBay too. That's why I thought it was the basic style... and Rodell was modeling his after it too. So would it be safe to assume it's the more "established" dao in the market? My personal favorite is the Han Dao... think I said that in an earlier post already, though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2012 7:09:01 GMT
The most common or popular dao are the liuyedao (willow leaf sabre), this was used by the Chinese military for a very long period in their history, it's a classical military weapon, and the niuweidao (oxtail saber), this is the "kung fu sword" you see martial artists using in their forms, it's a civilian weapon and is more point heavy than the willowleaf.
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Post by Turok on Nov 21, 2012 7:09:01 GMT
I don't think so Kuya, because when you say dao to a martial artist the first thing that person would picture is the nuiweidao because its the MOST commmon sword out there even though the Chinese military never officially used it. The nuiweidao is very common and is anachronistically depicted almost everywhere. Maybe there are a few popping up on ebay lately, but trust me you can see the ox-tail saber a lot more than any other dao these days. Kind of a shame because I think the luiyedao and the yanmaodao, swords that were used by REAL warriors deserve some spotlight...
Now I wish Chinese swords were easy to understand like how the Japanese have everything nicely labeled like the shinogi-zukuri, shobu zukuri, etc. However, China is a much more older civilization and because of that its martial arts and its weapons have LOTS of different variations that has changed throughout time. Makes things kinda difficult but at the same time its really fascinating to study imho!
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Post by Turok on Nov 21, 2012 7:45:29 GMT
Hi Blackthorn, congratulations again on your sword. Now that is one hell of a dao and is a perfect example of a luiyedao! Make sure to write us a review so we can all drool at its beautiful detail When I handled the Practical Gongfu, I was very disappointed with its scabbard because it pretty much defeated its own purpose by having a giant slot like that. Isn't the purpose of a scabbard to protect your blade and to safely carry it around? It may look cool to draw but again its form over function. Scott Rodell has REALLY tough standards for swords, that's why I trust him designing a dao. Though I guess your right, that I'm pretty hung up 'bout it all and trust me, I HAVE been waiting forever! I think there is a lot of potential in the CMA market though. I wouldn't use vaporware as an example because it can also imply that a release date was announced...I would say the sword is in development hell just like Indiana Jones 4 hahahaha! :ugeek:
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Post by Rafael on Nov 24, 2012 14:01:05 GMT
Just got my new hanwei practical Kung fu dao in the mail yesterday. I didn't have a chance to do any cutting tests yet. My first impression is that it is very solid with no loose parts, solid heft, nice quality frabric on the grip, and feels beyond perfect when doing Kung fu dao form. It slices paper effortlessly. It does seem really thin tOwards the tip where the blade widens, close to the thickness of a floppy wushu/practice sword. It is however about twice the weight of a wushu while still feeling quick. It also doesn't want to bend or flex at all despite the ultra thin edge near tip. Instead it seems almost supernaturally rigid, certainly way more solid than what uou would expect from looking at it. I'm looking forward to seeing how the thinner portion holds up to cutting hard plastic and pruning trees. I'll make a review when I've gathered some info.
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Post by MakChingYuen on Nov 24, 2012 14:03:57 GMT
Where did you get yours and how much for it? So the blade doesn't even bend when you apply pressure to the tip on the ground? wow that is a surprise to me. Really impressive then.
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Post by Rafael on Nov 24, 2012 15:49:24 GMT
hi Mak. I had to buy it direct from CASHanwei on their website for $234 US. here is the listing: www.cashanwei.com/product/practi ... ord/sh2063 I suspect that the reason KoA has them listed as 'discontinued' is that hanwei probably wants to sell them themselves for full price instead of getting whatever pittance KoA was paying per item to be able to then resell them for $120 at a profit. I wish KultofAthena still sold them for cheap, but I am still happy with it (so far) at this price. Yes it barely bends at all when i hold it at an angle to the ground and try to bend the sword up using the ground as leverage. I placed a few layers of cardboard down between the sword and the concrete to protect from scratches. The sturdiness and combination of lightness with rigidity is nice.
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Post by Rafael on Nov 24, 2012 17:12:52 GMT
it also came with a nice CAS baseball cap lol. the scabbard does kinda suck, they should have just made the neck wider. Although, the wide necked scabbards typically included with the average wushu-type nuiwedao always leave the hilt of the sword able to rattle around in the scabbard. This is (obviously) because the sword is less wide near the hilt than it is towards the end. As a result, the sword is not held securely inside the scabbard and will very easily slide out when held upsidedown or even inverted sllightly past horizontal. By contrast, this Hanwei oxtail scabbard actually holds the sword securely enough so that i can hold the sword completely upside-down and it doesnt fall out of the scabbard or even move. If i then, while still holding it upsidedown, shake the scabbard with medium force the sword does come loose. at this point, yeah it sucks. i think placing a small length of bungee between the two belt rings that live on either side of the slotted area will help limit the amount of lateral movement of the blade when this happens. Its nice when a sword will stay in its scabbard/saya very securely even when held upside down. The lack of this quality makes this sword slightly less than perfect. As was mentioned above, the slotted scabbard is actually not that bad and does make it easy to get the super wide tip portion of the blade seated in the sheath. My main complaint about it is that it would seem like it would be effectively useless for protecting the blade from oxidation. On the other hand, we are oiling our swords daily anyway right? right? The sad thing is that now i already want to impulse buy the other oxtail that hanwei sells (which has a complete scabbard) and see how nice it is in comparison. for your reference, here is the listing for the "hanwei oxtail dao" (different that the hanwei practical kung fu dao) www.cashanwei.com/product/oxtail-dao/sh1011I number crunched between the two when making my original purchase. My 'practical' version is about $30 less, which did not affect my decision. I got this one because it has a longer blade, while at the same time weighing slightly less. Not needing to take care of brass is also a plus. I need to slow down on sword purchases for a while or i would have already ordered it this morning. I should also point out that there is another one of those undated "Ye Olde Sworde Review" on SBG that seems to cover what is essentially this same other hanwei nuiwedao: www.sword-buyers-guide.com/dao.htmlThe review says it is discontinued, but it seems to have just changed names and is no longer available except directly from hanwei. I wish i could still buy it for the $100 that Jay Ferron paid for his. Hell, I would buy 100 of them and get rich selling them for $220 on ebay. Makchingyuen i remember that you usually like a small amount more decoration on chinese swords. This sword has plain black fittings. I also remember that, all other things being equal, you prefer a heavier sword. The other hanwei oxtail dao has the brass fittings and is also a bit heavier. Look deeply into my eyes while i use my mental kung fu to make you order swords online
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Post by MakChingYuen on Nov 24, 2012 19:09:38 GMT
haha.. Thanks for all that info you gave and I went there to see the links already. Honestly, the one with full scabbard look so much nicer on the wall! Tell you what, I am not a fans of these type of "kungfu dao" style because these don't even get used much in the historical record, they are meant to be CHEAPOS instead, and the class is greatly more to the urban class.. so hahahaha.. I am a willow leaf fans more. Like my qing broadsword, it's a willowleaf! Heavy too! What's in my mind now is a square grip willow, like the Belle dao or something like that kind of thing but with a less killing price tag! I think the Belle Dao may fit my taste, but the thing don't fit my pocket's taste, damn!!!
hahahah! Thanks for all that typing trying to brainwash me man, too bad, my love went for jians these days and dao is really not as attractive! hahaha! Still making love with my battle gim today man! yeah! You are right, we oil our swords everyday and you NEED to rub them up and down! LOL!
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Post by Turok on Nov 26, 2012 19:02:37 GMT
Hey Rafael! Congrats on your new nuiweidao! Have you tried cutting with your sword? My concern is that the blade is too thin because looking at Mr. Paul Southren's review the blade makes a "dinging" noise like a bell after every cut. Even on light cuts like plastic bottles ... r_embedded
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Post by MakChingYuen on Nov 26, 2012 19:14:28 GMT
after watching the video of the test cut, a video pop up on the playlist suggestion that make me wanna laugh at the comparison of the blade
shaolin guy, noodle blade, classic shaolin style
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Post by Turok on Nov 26, 2012 19:32:40 GMT
I just saw the Dynasty Forge yanmaodao at the SBG store and at a recent thread. I think that if the manufacturer keeps that blade profile but give it simple fittings and use monosteel for the blade, the price would be much more affordable for many people and people would be willing to buy it. In most Japanese Swords and WMA, a lot of money goes into the fittings more than the blade itself.
Now when I say simple, I mean plain but also complete. For example, many highly valued Japanese swords have simple but ornate fittings. This doesn't mean that they are missing the tsuba, the koshirae, or parts of the saya. It's all there, but kept simple. That's why a lot of people love their PPK, the Practical Pro Elite, or the DF Musha more than something from Thaitsuki Nihonto or something gaudy like artsfeng.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2012 23:09:06 GMT
What pushes up the cost of the Dynasty Forge yanmaodao is the folded blade. I'm happy with a plain monosteel blade, and it's way cheaper!
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Post by Daishikaze on Nov 27, 2012 6:04:21 GMT
I thought the fittings on the Yan Mao Dao were quite simple, thats too gaudy??
I prefer a well made Folded blade personal, or better yet a Sanmai blade, but thats much much more expensive. I really like the Dynasty forge Yan Mao Dao, It really hard to wait to get it.....I'm try very hard because the Missus will kill me if I buy it too soon.
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Post by MakChingYuen on Nov 27, 2012 6:23:18 GMT
I enjoy folded blades too, the feeling is very different when you hold it in hand too. I just realized it nowadays.. holding the CS gim never give me the same "feeling" as the jade lion and the battle gim (folded), it feel more solid and "sinking down" and lively than a mono steel blade. It's fun to maintenance them too, make it more like a pet than a blade, monosteel is more like a robot, a powerful robot. Folded steel is like a pet, that can play with you.maybe it's me.. but maybe it's something true if you like folded steel, hahaha!
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