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Post by MakChingYuen on Nov 19, 2012 12:25:25 GMT
Just to be fair..
This is a wudang taoist demo with the noodles sword.. so that you can see.. wudang people use the semi-flex dragonwell light swords more than noodles but there are a lot of wudang guys who do noodle swords art as well.. shaolin is more famous for noodle weapons.. hahaha
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Post by MakChingYuen on Nov 19, 2012 12:31:22 GMT
One thing I realize is that people in China now tends to like to do performance on the stage a lot, meaning that they aim for FAST and big movements for show purpose. Just like in the shaolin and wudang video above.. they use noodle swords for speed and flashy effect. But think about if you hand them a CS gim that is sharp, how many even dare to use the same gripping method to hold the sword now? and how many will be bleeding while doing the demonstration in ultra speed with a loose grip?
you see. this is one problem why kungfu people who are into noodle weapons don't get a feel of what a REAL weapon is like because they think you can grip a sword loose like that and you fingers can cross over the guard to lock it up, etc,.. well, and they think you need to make some SOUND while flicking and thrusting too. These are commonly seen stuff..
It's what most chinese kungfu school is up to nowadays.. no matter China or Toronto as what I see.. and even HK got a lot of these noodles lover as well.. sigh..
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this is the wudang master I am talking about, he is quite good at the forms but then I wished he had a sturdy blade to do it which make it more like martial arts. Those flexi-swords are just too annoying to me. AT the end, you see his students doing it with a wushunoodle too. sigh.. that's their training equipments...
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Post by Kuya on Nov 19, 2012 12:40:53 GMT
Yeah, I saw that it wasn't a high carbon steel, which is why I commented about it "not being the highest carbon steel." Either way, shopping for affordable dao is depressing. Especially since I don't like cheap rounded fade-out groove termination. Even the Huanuo dao have ugly cheap looking grooves. The only dao grooves that looked decent to me were the slant-sharp terminated grooves on the super expensive Hanwei dao that both cost over $1K. I wanted the ST-Swords Han Dao too, but it's $400 after shipping. I ended up settling for the Ryan Swords "Ninja Han Dao" version which didn't have the traditional style fittings and ring pommel... but cost only around $150. I haven't done a review on it, because my eye hasn't fully recovered from the surgery yet, so I can't make out fine details like the fold patterns and whatnot. |
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Post by MakChingYuen on Nov 19, 2012 12:46:51 GMT
Wow $150 for a folded steel blade that look so pretty, man.. you are buying something really good for the price! But it's NINJA weapon though,... sigh~
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2012 13:00:21 GMT
Hey Kuya, hope you recover from your surgery soon!
Mak, it looks like tinfoil wushu swords are very popular in China. Are they allowed to own real ones at all?
Yeah, the sound they make with tinfoil swords is just a trick, can't do it with real blades!!! :lol:
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Post by MakChingYuen on Nov 19, 2012 13:09:37 GMT
of course it's allowed to own real swords, what are dragonwell producing at their high end line if they are not allow to possess them? hahahaha.. but these wushu noodles are PREFERENCE by the masters, that's why it is so famous and well known to be a standard JIANOODLE!
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Post by MakChingYuen on Nov 19, 2012 13:18:52 GMT
here goes the MAGIC FLICKIN SOUND
see from 1:00 and you see that.. hahaha..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2012 13:35:12 GMT
I can only imagine he's saying to his student "You're flicking it all wrong, need more sideways wobble in your wrist when you thrust!" :lol:
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Post by MakChingYuen on Nov 19, 2012 13:50:50 GMT
No he was really saying "it's because your did not relax your body and so the jin cannot go to the tip of the sword and so you can't make a sound. You need to relax and thrust with the power rooted from the ground, like me..." *FLICK!* done.
Probably it will work better if you unscrew the nut at the back abit too, make the sword sing a song for you! Or maybe one day you will see him thrust and the flew out to the camera and stab into the director...
"now that is the wudang sword in the movie"! flying daggers! With the tang revealed too!
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Post by Nox on Nov 19, 2012 16:37:14 GMT
I'm all for a hanwei/Rodell Dao, especially if it is made like the Jian and has nice steel fittings and solid construction.
and I also want one because I haven't found a dao that I really like yet out of the current available options.
I might be wrong, but isn't there a hanwei representative that is part of this forum?
maybe we could pass word on to him?
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Post by bpogue on Nov 19, 2012 17:21:13 GMT
Yes, but no need to pass on word  Blake |
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Post by Turok on Nov 19, 2012 18:32:43 GMT
hahaha! Thank God we have you Blake! I was afraid I would have to start hunting you down lol :lol: Yeah there are lots of SLOs out there and if a person uses these for practice, sooner or later bad habits will form and WE ALL know that bad habits are always hard to get rid of!  As MakChingYuen clearly pointed out in his previous posts, there is a common misconception that cheap, flexible SLOs are seen as battle-ready swords. My theory is to how this all started (and I could be wrong) is that a hundred years ago or so in China, some poor fellow who couldn't afford a sword used a flexible piece of sheet metal as a substitute. This fellow then passed this technique on to his pupils and down the line when swords were no longer commonly used, people began to accept this sheet metal as an actual sword! :roll: The 1045 dao that Kuya, and thank you for pointing it out, is still a non-historical piece and I wouldn't recommend it for cutting. I think it's just a cheap substitute for a real dao and in the long run would probably ruin your technique. Then won't we be repeating history again by passing false information just like the wushu, flexible bendy crap?! :lol: |
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Post by Turok on Nov 19, 2012 18:42:47 GMT
Remember this guy a while back, MakChingYuen you'll love this... This is a classic example of how misconceptions on how to handle a sword and can lead to painful (if not deadly) consequences. The poor dude probably never had MA training, never knew that stainless steel wallhangers are not intended for cutting, and MOST importantly he shouldn't have abused a weapon on a table like that! |
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Post by MakChingYuen on Nov 19, 2012 18:53:22 GMT
OUCH! His balls! Man how come those things have tassels on them!? WEIRD TASTE! I bet they are made in China and sold for $12 for 3 swords kinda thing. Just good enough to place it high on the wall so people can't really touch or see the inside, then put some bling bling around it to make it attractive.. that's all it is to these stainless blades. The Mickey Mouse Bi-product! hahahaha!
Actually many dragonwell swords are made of stainless too and they are those semi-flexi swords that weight just about 1lb or less. Really floaty and filmsy, but I do recommend beginners to get those instead of the wushu swords because these are cheap and cost about $30 for one only as compare to $300... so yeah, for beginners, a full tang dragonwell stainless steel sword is OKAY acceptable if they don't even know how long they will like swords. But once they get into it, then for sure they need a rock-style blade in order to know what a sword is really like.
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Post by Turok on Nov 20, 2012 1:39:46 GMT
Of course those SLOs come from China, then again...I've been seeing some "practical" katanas being made from Pakistan lately :? ?! Anyway yeah a stainless sword is acceptable for forms training, wouldn't recommend it for cutting unless its a knife. Stainless is pretty brittle and there are loads of threads about this already in other boards... :lol:
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Post by Kuya on Nov 20, 2012 1:45:57 GMT
If Stainless is brittle and unsafe for cutting, why do thy allow it to be used on knives and utility tools so much? Sounds like decades of negligence on took/knife makers.
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Post by Turok on Nov 20, 2012 2:00:53 GMT
No, not at all! I was a knife nut before I was a sword nut BTW so I can explain this. Now stainless steel is a very good metal that prevents rust, corrosion, etc. For a knife, say anything less than 10 inches or so it is fine, because there is less stress. For a blade as long as 27 inches like a samurai sword or a jian, that is asking too much.
Think of stainless steel like the obsidian glass the Aztecs used. Obsidian works GREAT as a blade, probably last you a lifetime. Hell, archaeologists always find some that are hundreds of years old left behind in good condition. Problem is that if you make obsidian glass the same size as a katana and drop or cut with it, it would snap in half due to it being brittle. Same goes with stainless, probably one of the most misunderstood metal we have out there and there are several different grades of stainless steel. Now I think there are posts about this already in the General Discussion section but I don't want to derail this post.
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Post by MakChingYuen on Nov 20, 2012 2:09:31 GMT
Well I think if you are buying those cheap katanas for wallhanging, decoration or even a few gentle slow form practice, sure, that is cheap but then the weight is very much like air weight for sure. Those metal can't be heavy for a katana for sure.
Actually MANY knives are in stainless nowadays, look at all the SOG and CS knives, they are all in stainless for the normal stuff including Recon1 which is my FAMOUS knife at all time for EDC. Yeah, I collect tons of knives and blades too. hahaha.. but I agree, stainless is only good for short blades, and if you go longer like the 11" and above, you for sure want to go with carbon steel! Such as the ka-bar zombies stuff, I love it! haha!
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Post by Turok on Nov 20, 2012 2:38:11 GMT
Kuya, getting back on what you said earlier,I agree it's tough to find a good dao without having to go custom or paying serious money. I think many companies follow the supply and demand of the market. Though I REALLY doubt there was much demand to mass produce things like the "Glow-In-the-Dark" broadsword... :lol: If I remember my economics class correctly , if consumers (including us SBG members) cannot find the right supply (our swords), then they turn to the closest, most affordable substitute (the SLOs). For example, many SBG members, including myself at one time, have purchased SLOs (partly through our own ignorance as much as we hate to admit) :oops: . In my opinion many beginning CMA students turn to cheap wushu swords because that is their closest substitute (sad isn't it). Hanwei can really make a difference because not only do they have one of the best advisor in the field of historical CMA, Scott Rodell, they can enter into a market that has largely ignored by other sword companies by making a practical dao. No more of this "bendy sword can chop steel crap" we are all so familiar with. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2012 2:59:19 GMT
Hi guys, just received my Huanau liuyedao (willow leaf sabre), I''m very happy!!! Super-high quality, amazing detail, I'm very impressed! Blake, still would like to get a Rodell Cutting Dao if Hanwei ever decide to go ahead with that product. There is a gaping hole in the Chinese sword market for a dao built as solidly as a Huanuo with practical fittings like the Cutting Jian. I do have the Hanwei Practical Gongfu sword, but it's not on the same level as the Cutting Jian. Thanks |
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