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Post by Shrugger on Sept 1, 2012 15:12:48 GMT
The title pretty much says it all.
After my last attempt to decide what to get as a first buy resulted in failure, and I was busy working for a few months, I finally have the money and time to get back to thinking about swords.
So, I'm looking for a straight-bladed, single-edged, two-handed weapon. Sturdiness is more important than balance, and functionality is more important than historical accuracy, but the latter points do still matter, of course (a crowbar or machete would be a little too much). A good grip for large hands (two of them, even!) is necessary, with something to stop them from slipping too far downwards - a pommel or similar device, if you will. The blade should be sharp enough for cutting practise, with a point suited for at least some moderate thrusting.
An obvious favourite is the Cold Steel Grosses Messer, but I decided not to get it because of its flimsily screwed-on "pommel". Then there's the Two-Handed Sabre made by Lutel, but I'm not too sure about the grip size, blade geometry and general sturdiness.
Ah well. It's all theoretical window shopping so far. Could anyone suggest further swords that fit the bill here?
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Post by SullivanSwitch on Sept 1, 2012 15:33:46 GMT
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Post by Shrugger on Sept 1, 2012 15:42:04 GMT
European style is preferred, but not imperatively necessary. The EyD looks quite good actually, but the grip is almost certainly too short. And I really don't need a set The Hanwei Banshee, on the other hand, is absolutely not for me - the grip and stopper at its bottom are too round, providing no help with blade orientation. Also, I'd probably just slide my hands straight onto the blade - I'm no fan of oversized crossguards, but that one is too minimalistic.
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Post by William Swiger on Sept 1, 2012 15:42:55 GMT
The Cold Steel Grosses Messer has a grip that is in place by pins through the tang. The pommel is a screw-on but has nothing to do with the integrity of the grip. Not trying to make the sword sound good or anything. I have one and it is good for the price.
Lutel makes some tough swords. Pretty sure both the Hand-and-a-half sabres they sell will accomodate two hands.
How much are you going to spend?
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Post by chuckinohio on Sept 1, 2012 16:05:55 GMT
I own a Lutel Two handed Saber, the Model 11005. The grip is 9.5 inches long measured from the guard to the outside edge of the pommel cap along the top of the grip. The blade is nicely done and has a well executed distal taper. I ordered it sharpened, and it came convex ground with no secondary bevel. The fuller is even and terminates cleanly. There is some evidence of the grinding process visible on the blade, but nothing gaudy, ugly or detrimental to the swords handling. It simply isn't mirror polished, but has a perfectly utilitarian working finish. It is as sturdy as any other sword that I own. There are absolutely no rattles, clanks, or movement in the hilt or grip components whatsoever. My opinion of Lutel products so far is that they seem to be undervalued price wise. It is a very good weapon for a very good price.
Cold Steel made an effort to correct the problems that arose with the Grossemesser some time ago. I am not sure what they did, but they posted that it was redesigned. The current crop seems to be doing fine, the only complaints that one hears about them lately is to do with the handling characteristics. I have a CS Grossemesser and it has not fallen apart, the pommel is still attached, and it has been smacked about with some authority.
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Post by Kuya on Sept 1, 2012 16:42:36 GMT
Aren't "Dao" swords big heavy sturdy two-handed single edged weapons?
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Post by chuckinohio on Sept 1, 2012 16:46:02 GMT
There are many shades of 'DAO'
They run the gamut from big choppers to slender slicers.
ZhanmaDao DaDao PuDao MiaoDao Etc..................
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Post by Taran on Sept 1, 2012 17:19:13 GMT
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Post by Kuya on Sept 1, 2012 17:54:31 GMT
I prefer the Han Dao. It's like a more realistic and practical "Buster Sword."
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Post by Don Boogie on Sept 1, 2012 18:05:09 GMT
wel,he said he "preferred" the Euro-Style swords,so i assume the cold steel grosse messer would be a good choice or he could go for this one,http://kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=SBK013
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Post by Shrugger on Sept 1, 2012 18:47:06 GMT
Apart from all the frills and the pretty factor, that one actually looks pretty decent. Of course, that says nothing about its handling and structural characteristics...
Nah. That one's single-handed.
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Post by SullivanSwitch on Sept 1, 2012 19:04:11 GMT
Oh my, I really like that blade. The handle is "eh", but the blade is my cup o' tea. I hate to derail this, but where can I find some more examples of that type of sword? I just looked on KOA, but didn't see anything similar.
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Post by Kuya on Sept 1, 2012 19:21:03 GMT
The pictured one is from some NZ (I think that's New Zealand?) store, you can also get them made to order from "Enlightenment Swords" and also get them from Sinosword theoretically. It's not on their new site, but it shows up on their old site when you click on their "go to old site" link on their main page. This eBay seller is selling a Sinosword order through what I believe is Sinosword's retailer affiliate program... probably best to ask Sinosword themselves and link the auction.
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Post by Shrugger on Sept 1, 2012 21:01:35 GMT
At the moment, I guess it once again comes down to Lutel VS CS.
Worries, CS Grosses Messer: The screw-on buttcap might come loose, it's unbalanced, rattling guard, bad sharpening. Worries, Lutel 2H Sabre: Costs 100 Euros more than the CS, Czechs have a bad reputation sometimes (no offence intended).
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Post by Luka on Sept 2, 2012 13:37:31 GMT
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Post by Marc Kaden Ridgeway on Sept 2, 2012 14:47:02 GMT
Gus Trim made two-handed saber and bastard Falchion. Both awesome swords... biggest drawback is spotty availiability
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Post by Marc Kaden Ridgeway on Sept 2, 2012 15:11:48 GMT
Oh yeah... don't know why noone has mentioned the Longship Verrimus
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Post by chuckinohio on Sept 2, 2012 16:08:34 GMT
Verrimus all the way, but maybe a bit pricy for the OP. He is debating the price of a Lutel, and the Lundemo is at a higher price point yet. I'm still sore that I didn't jump on that Saber Marc. My LPM Saber had me thinking that I didn't need another example, but that new would have made a perect donor for a Swiss Saber project.....................
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Post by Marc Kaden Ridgeway on Sept 2, 2012 16:48:44 GMT
Exactly what Gus had in mind when he made it ...
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Post by Don Boogie on Sept 2, 2012 17:47:42 GMT
yeaah marc but the price
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