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Post by Bushido on Feb 14, 2012 1:48:24 GMT
True, this is how it should be done. However, what we are discussing is whether this is being done in my sword. "Outer layers" sound a bit like the side panels to me, and if these are the ones being made from the 1095 steel that would be the opposite of a proper sanmai and not what I want. Hopefully the guys at sinosword know what they are doing and make a proper sanmai blade, but the words "outer layers of 1095 steel" has me worried...
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Post by HouShe on Feb 14, 2012 12:24:15 GMT
Ahhh, that's what I get for skim reading.
Let us just hope that it's a mis-translation from Chinese and that they mean the edges that protrude out are the 1095.
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Post by Bushido on Feb 14, 2012 12:54:06 GMT
Haha, no worries. I have just received a reply to the questions and sanmei diagram I sent them, and they say that they will use "1095 folded steel (not carbon steel) for the side panels and T10 for the core". I've no idea what the 1095 folded and not carbon steel means, I thought 1095 signified the carbon content of the steel... Perhaps they mean 1095 layers of folding? Or maybe they mean that since they will be folding and hammering the 1095 the carbon of the steel will be extracted softening the steel to a degree fit for side panels in sanmei lamination... Just a thought (which seems sort of reasonable to me). Anyhow, it is softer than the core which will be T10, and I think it seems like a very interesting mix of steels. I think and hope they know what their doing, the end result is going to be very interesting indeed. So excited!
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Post by HouShe on Feb 14, 2012 13:05:23 GMT
Often 1095 and 1050 are folded together to get the folding pattern, but when combined make ~1070 a more moderate and softer steel. I'm not exactly sure of the exact process that Sinosword is using for it though.
But with T10 as the center plate, with the proper heat treatment, you should get a good result.
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Post by junon on Feb 14, 2012 15:09:03 GMT
Master HouShe, while we are waiting for sinosword to deliver bushido sword, can you share some info regarding your sword?
if I'm not mistaken your avatar is the sword you ordered from zhengwu a while ago, am I right? I vaguely remember reading about it on swordforum (post from Mr. Kenneth H when he was studying with Mr. Chris Zhou).
I really love to get more info/review about higher end jian such as yours.
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Post by Bushido on Feb 14, 2012 19:28:42 GMT
I think it's going to be good. I've heard that carbon steel softens once worked, so if they intend to use a mixture of 1095 and 1050 and then fold it through the end product should be fairly flexible and shock absorbing. they seem to know what they're doing, I just misunderstood what they meant. I think this steel mixture of folded 1095 and T10 will make for an interesting blade. I mean, T10 is generally accepted as a good steel for swords both flexibility wise and edge retainability as well. Plus, my sword is going to be laminated woth a softer steel plus differentially hardened... I can't see how the lamination and hardening would make it any worse Can't wait to get my hands on the final product!
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Post by Bushido on Feb 14, 2012 19:29:12 GMT
I second that! More info if you please good sir
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Post by HouShe on Feb 14, 2012 23:47:24 GMT
You are right Junon, it is my custom. Well I have no interest in doing a full and proper review. Nor taking new photos. (I don't own a quality camera at the moment), so I'll do something a little ad hoc. But first, basics. Very nearly everything on this blade is custom. Blade length, fittings etc. I requested a blade length of 69.5cm, which is substantially down from the standard production length of 75cm. In accordance with various things, it reaches the bottom of my ear when in the ready position. Overall length is ~93cm. (Due to the guard not being flat and me not really caring that much, it's within 5mm either side. PoB: Irrelevant statistic. Blade: 4000 layer Twistcore, Sanmei constructed. Didn't get details on the specific steels involved. Through hardened. (Side note, I went away for work for ~6 weeks and kept the blade in my cupboard for the duration, when I returned, I was taking it down but apparently I hadn't fastened the blade in properly, I normally leave it half out for ease of drawing, the blade came out and spun down landing tip first on concrete. There is now a hole in the concrete, the tip was undamaged. Heat treat successful) Fittings: I asked for a Flame Serpent design, they had absolutely nothing to work with from past examples for this. So had to make the design from scratch. I did however like the Bai Long Jian that they had done and asked for a similar pattern. (ex: www.haotaiji.com/haotaijistore/m ... sword.html ) SOME of the fittings on the scabbard are highly similar, however, I don't blame them, I can't think of what else to put there. The pommel as you can see is stylised flames with a Snake inside it. Weight: 941g. With scabbard ~2kgs, well inside historical norms. Blade profile: Flat diamond to very shallow appleseed. Distinct appleseed geometry near the tip. Polish: Mirror Handling: My experience has involved handling, including with forms work a fair few production blades and one Antique. (In Australia, it's hard to get access to large amounts of antiques) However, this antique I handled was Linda's from www.chinese-swords-guide.com if you want to have a look, my custom handles almost the same. It has a blade presence and effortlessly flies through the cut. Single flaw: After the first time I utilised fajin in my jian form, there was a rattling sound coming from the pommel. I had to disassemble it and found small fragments of the casting process still inside the pommel. Shook them out and put the pommel back on. No further sounds have been heard. (I took my time due to a lack of tools to fix it. I do kind of miss the small bell-like sound it made though) Now, I do a lot of forms work with it, I however don't do cutting practice with it, the polish is too good. Maybe one day when I've learnt how to return it to a mirror polish, but until then, she will remain as incredibly sharp as the day she arrived. (I have cut paper and the cleaning cloth with it.)
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Post by junon on Feb 16, 2012 2:05:49 GMT
Master HouShe, Thank you for sharing! It's very enlightening to get a glimpse of higher end production sword created by well known smith. Now, I'm still unsure about twistcore, and since you have a twistcore with sanmei, hopefully you can give me insight about it... What is twistcore, actually? Can this classify as twistcore? (I got this from Mr. Kane - his term is feather folded steel) The reason I asked is because according to Mr. Kane, I need to choose between sanmei steel or the 'feather grain steel' on the picture above. Master Houshe, Sorry if I ask too many question Bushido, sorry for using your thread... However since we are still discussing Sinosword, I hope you don't mind... Sinosword seems to be capable of making complex jian; However communication seems to be a problem sometimes... (I sent email with multiple questions and got reply with only one answer, etc; so I had to resend the question again to get all the answer I want). Nevertheless, their price is very reasonable... I can't complaint too much, can I? *and compare to other Chinese maker, Sinosword is actually quite responsive*
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Post by HouShe on Feb 16, 2012 4:22:19 GMT
San mei just means three-plate. The actual form of folding in the steel is irrelevant. In fact, you can have unfolded sanmei. Imagine 1095 center, with 1050 plates. No folding, that is considered sanmei. Standard folding is just that, the metal is heated up, folded over and beaten into place.
Twistcore is where it gets fun. (By fun I mean complicated) There are many different variations that you can do with twistcore, from the number of bars you use, to the amount of twists you put into it. The feather grain pattern is the most common, because it is dramatic and beautiful. Mine looks like the contours on a map. Because depending on what they do after the twists (often they may cut the folded billet in half to use on either side) or they may use it in one piece. These are all good and acceptable. However they are all harder to do.
However, there's nothing stopping twistcore from being put into sanmei. Hope that helps.
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Post by Bushido on Feb 16, 2012 13:49:00 GMT
I don't mind at all, any and all info I can get on the company making my sword is good My experiences are exactly the same. you email a couple of questions, they answer some of them... I still haven't had all of my questions answered Oh well, hopefully I can trust them to know what they're doing and it will all turn out great in the end Prices are very reasonable, and as far as pre-ordering communication goes they are very responsive. After that it's so so...
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Post by Bushido on Feb 16, 2012 13:50:18 GMT
Sounds like a very nice sword! Have you published any pictures of it on the forum? Might one ask where?
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Post by HouShe on Feb 16, 2012 14:36:21 GMT
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Post by Bushido on Feb 16, 2012 14:54:02 GMT
Very nice! Beautiful sword!
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Post by junon on Mar 9, 2012 9:00:52 GMT
Hi Bushido,
Has been almost a month now; any progress on your sword? Any pics available from sino? I'm curious to see the progress...
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Post by Bushido on Mar 9, 2012 13:25:58 GMT
Hi!
So it has, but none that I've been informed of. I'm assuming manufacturing is well underway, but I probably won't be notified until completion of the sword draws near. Pictures will be sent to me when the sword is finished. I too am very curious to see what's been going on over the last month, but my requests for status reports have thus far been ignored... Oh well, hopefully it will be allright in the end:)
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Post by Charl on Mar 12, 2012 9:32:46 GMT
looking forward to seeing some progress in this thread!
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Post by junon on Mar 28, 2012 9:24:44 GMT
Hi Bushido, Have you received your sword from JKoo? I'm really looking forward to see it!
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Post by Bushido on Mar 28, 2012 23:26:05 GMT
Hi!
Sadly, no... They haven't even contacted me tpo let me know whether it's done or not. Been around 45 or so days now since they told me it would be completed in 40 days, thought I'd give them a week or so befotre I contact them myself. So far my thoughts are that contact and customer service could do with some improving, but I guess it all comes down to what they actually deliver. Still waiting impatiently, expecting something good:)
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Post by somewhat on Mar 28, 2012 23:47:45 GMT
Honestly man I've ordered from them twice and knew the time would go over. I wouldn't sweat it-- and on the level of customer service, Mr Kane always answered me within 24 business hours if I asked an annoying question so it's an operation you have to babysit a little more but IMO very good value for the money and personal customization.
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