Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 19:31:43 GMT
deleted.
|
|
|
Post by dishan.25 on Oct 8, 2011 19:32:39 GMT
Yes, that is correct. The socket that goes over the nut was filled with epoxy.
|
|
|
Post by Darksword Armory on Oct 10, 2011 0:06:49 GMT
I just recently saw this thread by Dishan. It is basically a continuim of the original thread ( viewtopic.php?f=32&t=6925&start=10 ) . It appears that Dishan did not get the support he had hoped and reposted even after apologizing and asking everyone to ignore his original thread...but in any event. I think the issue at hand is our tangs. This is what most have been pointing to and 'speaking' about in this particular thread. Concerns over our blades structural integrity, which frankly quite surprises me given the reputation our swords have among many SBG members, with Paul's torture tests, the reviews by various SBG members on the forum, as well as various youtube videos testing the strength of our swords. Some of you speak of the width of the tang. I think the important issue to focus on is HOW the tang is Tempered, if at all. If your tang is 1 inch wide but poorly tempered, it will fail. if your tang is half an inch wide, but properly tempered and properly made it will not. It is not simply a matter of width. There are technical aspects involved with sword making. It is not simply about taking a thick piece of steel and making it look like a sword (SLO). There is a heat treating step and there is a tempering step that's inherent in proper sword making. We supply some of the largest reenactment groups as well as a large proportion of fighters involved in the Battle of the Nations. Although it was not directly mentioned, I would like to make it clear to those who do not own a DSA sword that we NEVER weld any parts of our swords or tangs. That is the first sign of a decorative piece as far as I am concerned. You simply cannot use a welded blade in combat without being at risk ! The threading on the tang has nothing to do with the pommel. It is for the nut which sets over the handle to provide greater pressure over it and the guard in the event that the wood handle cracks in combat. It is simply a precautionary step. We can certainly make the swords without the nut. The pommels are then fitted over the tang and hot peened. period. If there is some doubt about this, simply look at the hammer marks over our 100 years war dagger. darksword-armory.com/images/100%20year%20war%20daggers.jpgHaving quickly looked over the past three years of sales, we sold slightly over 4,500 swords per year. This average makes 13,500 swords over the last three years. Out of those 13,500 swords only 3 broke, and all three were replaced. Not a bad average as far as I am concerned especially when you consider that Darksword Armory customers put our swords through tests that they would never do with another manufacturer's sword, namely abusing the heck of of them.... Eyal Azerad Darksword Armory inc.
|
|
Lunaman
Senior Forumite
Posts: 3,974
|
Post by Lunaman on Oct 10, 2011 3:01:59 GMT
....I'm actually astounded that a manufacturer would say some of those things. That's... Wow. I don't intend to break any forum rules, so I'll say no more. I'm just amazed.
|
|
|
Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Oct 10, 2011 3:12:38 GMT
I feel Eyal has said his piece on the mater...and hes even volunteered to fix the sword in question at his own expense minus shipping...what more can be expected?
|
|
|
Post by chrisperoni on Oct 10, 2011 3:19:31 GMT
edited-
chewing on some food for thought right now. nom nom.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2011 4:02:50 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Darksword Armory on Oct 10, 2011 8:47:33 GMT
Yes, and justs to make it clear, this is exactly what we do not do!
Eyal Azerad DSA inc.
|
|
jhart06
Member
Slowly coming back from the depths...
Posts: 3,292
|
Post by jhart06 on Oct 10, 2011 14:37:01 GMT
Im not going to push my views on the peening, but i'd like to see the tang discussion moved somewhere else, as i'm actually enjoying reading it and think it deserves it's own thread.
|
|
|
Post by dishan.25 on Oct 10, 2011 14:43:03 GMT
I did state that I would still be posting pictures on Friday. It actually does help to read things all the way through.
|
|
ghost
Member
Posts: 1,323
|
Post by ghost on Oct 10, 2011 17:23:40 GMT
we've seen similar peening on many swords - nothing really wrong with it, but we cannot see the one done on dishan's. could have been done defectly - hammered or polished too thin...also might not have been. It's been noted though that dishan has banged his first against another sword, and the subsequent replacement against a railing.
My own dsa black knight is an oldie so it has no peening, but a similar nut recessed into the pommel. It does NOT seat on the tang like HTs and the pommel lies solely on the threaded section (which is very beefy) Its done in 2 cinderblocks and an old wooden chair. I don't really see any prone-to-failure problem with this method of assembly, though it would definitely be more durable if the pommel was seated like an HT (like chuck has already mentioned) ***We haven't seen a dsa break off yet at the threaded section (bend...sure), though HTs have (likely not seated properly at the factory) after long use.
The narrowing down of the tang to nearly thread size is a bit more disconcerting, but it's also seems very similar to the hanwei lowlander (which seems to hold up okay) I'm not sure if the tang on the DSA ranger narrows down like this...but if anyone ever tried to practice a pommel strike with such a huge sword :lol: , it would probably bend pretty bad...not like anyone ever does with the big two-handers :?
It would be great if DSA/Eyal could send off this model to one of our reviewers. If that is too costly or inefficient, perhaps a video of a durability test on the wallace sword could be done in Eyal's shop. Decent abuse, Southren-style, with safety goggles (bad Paul) would be nice. That should be able to dispel some doubts and fears.
|
|
|
Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Oct 10, 2011 19:09:32 GMT
Send it to the guys over at cold steel if you want an ultimate unpractical indestructive test :lol:
|
|
|
Post by chuckinohio on Oct 10, 2011 20:56:48 GMT
It does seem that we are debating a failure rate that is minimal at most.
The ONLY issue that I ever had with a DSA sword was remedied immediately by Eyal to my complete and utter satisfaction.
With the current crop of DSA swords displaying a decrease in weight from previous models, perhaps the issue raised in the OP will become moot??
Thoughts on that?
|
|
|
Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Oct 10, 2011 22:39:45 GMT
it would show how good the companies QC is thats for damn sure.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2011 3:18:58 GMT
That's probably the best thing I've read out of this whole argument. I don't really like what I see in the pictures, and I'm really not convinced about calling that a true peened construction, but if nothing else DSA has a great reputation for durability. Worst case scenario this particular model might have a specific issue. *shrug*
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2011 8:30:36 GMT
It seems to essentially be a thin, ht/tempered peened tang that's been threaded for extra hilt durability. Since the wood will crack before the tang will bend, and the swords have Eyal guaranty, I'm good. :mrgreen: I love the idea Findlithui, perhaps a field test with all the major manufactures and there swords :!: OH Yeah +
|
|