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Post by dishan.25 on Oct 7, 2011 21:42:05 GMT
These are the pictures (taken by my older brother) of my DSA Wallace sword. These photos are to show the nut compression that the sword uses and that the pommel is threaded on finished off with a peened end. These photos were taken after I took the sword apart. Hopefully these will explain what I was ranting about in my last forum post. The photos where I show the very end of the tang is what was on the outside of the pommel, flush with the finish, as shown in the close up shot of how it looked like before I took it apart. The peen was barely there, it relied on the epoxy and threads to hold it all together. When I twisted the pommel the small metal layer on the top (assuming the peen) flaked off and I was able to take the sword apart. Isn't this a threaded sword then? With the nut compression helping hold the handle and guard together, combined with the threaded pommel be just as good as peened? With the threads there, is the sword a little weaker? Will it break in the future? Or only under extreme conditions? When I purchased this, I thought I was getting a solid tang (without the threads) with a peen on the end.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 22:01:13 GMT
Yes. Since it is the nut and threaded tang that hold the hilt together this would not be considered a peened tang hilt.
It is hard to say without knowing the diameter and length of the tang at the threaded area. Personally I feel a well designed hilt using a peen is going to be stronger than this design.
Probably. Again without knowing the specifics of diameter and length it is hard to make an assessment of the strength of the tang.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 22:03:53 GMT
Thank you for posting these pictures.
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Post by dishan.25 on Oct 7, 2011 22:18:09 GMT
The diameter of the tang is about 1/4". The threads run for about 2 3/4"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 22:27:36 GMT
If in fact the tang is 1/4" in diameter, then in my opinion this sword is very likely to see the tang break at some point (if you are using the sword in a manner consistent with its intended use. This is a large and heavy sword typically used to deliver very heavy blows). The area where I feel the failure is most likely to occur is right above the nut.
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Post by dishan.25 on Oct 7, 2011 22:50:28 GMT
Oh okay. I mainly dry handle the sword, not actually hitting any targets or anything like that. I'll try not to actually use it heavily, so as not to break the tang.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 23:03:35 GMT
The reason the hilt on that sword is long is to give you more leverage to accelerate the blade. Even dry handling this sword might damage it if you grip it around the pommel. My suggestion is if you are going to swing it around try not to grip it at the pommel.
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Post by dishan.25 on Oct 7, 2011 23:09:37 GMT
The grip is only 7", my hands are right at the start of the pommel. Kind of hard not to put some pressure on the pommel. I can manage to swing the sword with one hand, but I'll do my best not to grab the pommel and use it as leverage.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Oct 7, 2011 23:31:23 GMT
wow after seeing this i wouldnt even consider buying that sword. thanks for the pics
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Post by jhart06 on Oct 7, 2011 23:35:59 GMT
I shouldn't even respond, as I'm pretty sure by reading past threads the OP just wants to be upset.. But this pommel is peened, and is NOT of a shoddy make. Using the pommel for leverage, IF USED PROPERLY, wont affect it at all. But that's the key, PROPER use... And a novice *not* trying to fix and twist/tweak at things.
Honestly, the instant you admitted to jerrying around with it, and your lack of knowledge of how to do so, there are so many things you could have easily done wrong and not even noticed that I don't find these pictures or this instance at all to indicate anything on quality of a company or of blade construction..
Didn't you mention previously that you hit the thing against a rail of some kind(after claiming no abuse was done to it at first..)? The peen/tang could have been fubared by that or any number of things.
Sorry about your luck, but this isn't a bad sword, or badly made, and DSA isn't to blame. Let it go mate. You've already had Eyal explain it to you multiple times, but dont seem to want to accept an explanation that puts you to blame. You got what you ask for, a peened pommel and even a bit extra..
From what I could tell didn't use it right and it suffered... Just be careful and maybe not use it blade to blade, unless you know how...Even if DSA's are rated for it, two buddies int heir back yard going at it can damage it due to proper knowledge being lacking...
Which wouldn't be a reflection on product but on user(s).. It's dangerous to swing steel, blunt or shap, without proper training, supervision, and protective gear and if proper techniques arent use, stressors applied to the sword will be applied in a way and of a type it isn't meant for, and again result in things like you are upset over.
Bottom line, it's a good solid sword. It can do all you're talking about with no 'tender care' needed than normal sword form and etiquette. It just needs to be used *properly* for the use intended. If you ordered it sharp and then did blade on blade, or blunt and tried chopping a railing (or sharp) then it's user error that brought about the malfunction.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 23:57:22 GMT
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Oct 8, 2011 1:07:41 GMT
i agree....with you blade
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Post by dishan.25 on Oct 8, 2011 1:22:26 GMT
First of all, I accidentally hit the wooden railing on our deck. I was practicing my techniques and I obviously got to close to the railing and hit it. So, yes, it was my fault that the handle loosened and that I took it apart. I'm not blaming anyone for that. I'll fix it myself, it's my responsibility.
I am a novice...at how swords are constructed. I do know how to use them properly and safely. (don't use "you hit the railing with the sword, if you knew how to use it, you wouldn't have hit the railing", it's called an accident).
A sword at $300 is a lot for me. I take good care of it. I constantly clean it every time I use it or whenever I hold it. Every time my brothers hold it, I make sure that when I get it back I immediately clean it. Every other day I inspected it for finger marks, just in case I missed a spot or my brothers held it without my knowing. I cherish this sword, it's my first real sword.
I only occasionally ever use a sword on another sword. I use it 90% of the time for practicing techniques. I would never purposely damage this or any other sword in a manner that it is not to be used.
I'm not claiming malfunction. I am claiming that the sword is threaded and not peened (at least properly).
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Post by jhart06 on Oct 8, 2011 1:24:28 GMT
Blade, you have a PM, and the moderators have been informed. I am tired of feeling personally attacked.. I will let you form your own opinions and conclusions, and in the interest of peace, not push things further. But my comment stands, my conclusions stand, and I will happily discuss or explain my conclusions, with evidence to back them up, to anyone who wishes to contact me respectfully via PM.
Good day and good luck gentleman, sorry for the disturbance.
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Post by Dampiel on Oct 8, 2011 1:38:02 GMT
Calling that a peened pommel is disingenuous and I wouldn't trust it in the least.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 1:38:53 GMT
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Oct 8, 2011 1:48:06 GMT
i feel your 100% correct that it is threaded not peened. what i see in the pic hardly qualifies as a "peen"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 1:48:12 GMT
I have no doubt that Eyal's swords are very well made, but that's simply not a peened pommel, and it's upsetting that it's advertized as such. Dishan.25 has had a lot of bad luck with his first swords, and I doubt that he did anything overly abusive to this one... Jhart06 has a point but the situation is obviously more complicated than "he abused the hell out of his sword" or "hey! I got a crap sword" so everyone just calm down and stop pointing fingers. :?
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Post by StevenJ on Oct 8, 2011 2:52:16 GMT
Gen 2 does something very similar in their construction where the pommel is threaded on then peened on top. I think you guys are making a bigger deal over this than you should. The threaded portion is properly cut and not a welded on rat tail extension. It should be sturdy and withstand use. i wouldn't abuse it but hey I've owned a number of DSAs that share the same construction and I haven't had any issues with mine yet. I don't have one as long as the Wallace, longest one I own is the 1339 at 44 inches and 3 1/2 pounds. The tang is peened but the pommel is threaded. It's still peened just not in the more traditional sense.
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Post by joeydac on Oct 8, 2011 3:06:21 GMT
whats gonna hold the pommel on besides air its junk sorry I agree with blade I trust a windlass more
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