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Post by oos3thoo on Mar 24, 2008 6:58:46 GMT
I blame the policeman on second thought. He had a huge staff, how could he have not won? He didn't even use his instinct. I could have hit the blade out of the attackers hand. Or at least have tried to knock him out. The police of today suck at doing their job. like one guy in my town was attacked by a crazy knife lady and shot her. She died next day. He could have: 1. Use pepper spray 2. Use his night stick 3. Combined 1 and 2. 4.Shot her in the hand or leg. What an idiot.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2008 16:49:14 GMT
I blame the policeman on second thought. He had a huge staff, how could he have not won? He didn't even use his instinct. I could have hit the blade out of the attackers hand. Or at least have tried to knock him out. The police of today suck at doing their job. like one guy in my town was attacked by a crazy knife lady and shot her. She died next day. He could have: 1. Use pepper spray 2. Use his night stick 3. Combined 1 and 2. 4.Shot her in the hand or leg. What an idiot. There is an old quote... Dead men tell no tales ( and cannot testify in lawsuits ). Real time video has leveled the playing field but the odds are always on the side of law enforcement relative to the courts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2008 15:43:50 GMT
The other thing seth is that when a crazy person is coming at you with a knife you are not cool as a cucumber, no one is. Pepper spray does not work on everybody, the night stick puts you in range of the knife and if all you know are the academy basics you are in trouble. Combining one and two might work but again see above. Shooting someone in the hand or leg may not have occurred to the officer, he was in fear of his life and he did what he was trained to do.
On your other post, have you ever tried knocking a knife out of someones hand when they want to hold onto it and all you have to rely on are your gross motor functions because your heart is beating so hard? Some people also will not go down if you hit them with a jo staff, no matter how you hit them. You should go and be a police officer and show them how it is done mate, being a copper is not as easy as you seem to think.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2008 16:14:57 GMT
Especially if they are hopped up on some kind of cocktail narcotic. Good luck. Most law enforcement do not use .45. They use either .38 or 9mm. It is not enough stopping power for somebody hulked up on an illegal drug. They are pretty much amok and a killing machine. I even wonder if tasers will work on somebody like that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2008 16:26:04 GMT
PCP and a knife are possibly the scariest combination you can run into, with .38 and 9mm you would want to hope you had enough bullets to fell a charging rhinocerous, PCP also makes you faster, more sure of yourself and your instincts so the officer isn't going to get more than two shots off, unless they go into the brain pan the guy is going to gut you like a pig. Tasers don't work on everyone either, I know of police officers who have been tazed during training and they were still able to follow through and "kill" the guy with the tazer, not to mention police tazers are for s**t. The police are undermanned and under equipped in my opinion and their training in hand to hand is non existent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2008 17:45:51 GMT
The problem is that the knife is not hand to hand per se. Not intending to nit pick here but the knife is a totally different realm bridging hand to hand and other impact type weapons. It is in the same realm as firearms and has it's own unique training methodology against skilled adversaries. That is often why knife and firearm is most often controversially pitted against each other. The empty hand to hand counters against either of them is a combination of high skill and a lot of luck.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2008 3:58:29 GMT
Shmoo: I wasn't saying that knife combat is hand to hand mate, knife combat is CQB if anything. What I was saying is that at the point where a police officer is cuffing a criminal is where he is most vunerable, because you have to get so close to a potentially dangerous person and the training they get for those situations are limited. Police officers should have courses or training that teach them what to do in close if they go to handcuff the guy and he decides to act. I can think of five or six different techniques I could use to stop the officer from cuffing me and threaten him sufficiently that his friends won't shoot me for fear of his life. I would never do it, because I don't ever intend to do something stupid enough to warrant getting handcuffed, I am merely giving an example.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2008 18:17:35 GMT
Well I have only read the first page of these replies so far, but I wanted to chime in. Firstly I have to ask, are Japan's police not allowed to carry fireamrs, much like the English police? I ask because if they do have guns, then why the hell was he not returning lethal force with lethal force? That is pretty much the training of US police officers, if the person is using lethal force, and yes a knife can kill very easily, then you can return with lethal force and use your firearm.
But if the officer is not carrying a gun, and he is only trained in Kendo and Judo, then I have to say the problem lies in two places. His training is totally inappropriate and he himself should have thought outside the box. I mean a 50" staff vs a knife, there is no way that cop should have been touched by the knife, just using common sense of the situation and the extreme range advantage of the staff. I say his training is inappropriate because Kendo is all fine and great, but it's a sport, NOT a fighting style. There are rules you must follow when practicing Kendo, restrictions, and you are only ever expecting to fight someone using the same weapon with the same Kendo rules. IMHO this is not something an officer of the law should be trained in, to protect himself and others from various types of situations. He might have been better off getting no formal training, and just used the long staff with common sense self preservation.
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Apr 9, 2008 19:10:02 GMT
four foot stick versus a knife they need to fire that cop and beat him with his own stick for making everyone else look bad
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2008 17:06:22 GMT
Kendo is traditionally taught to police officers in Japan. I'm not saying that it's the best choice, but you have the tools that you have.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2008 21:24:14 GMT
Shmoo: I wasn't saying that knife combat is hand to hand mate, knife combat is CQB if anything. What I was saying is that at the point where a police officer is cuffing a criminal is where he is most vunerable, because you have to get so close to a potentially dangerous person and the training they get for those situations are limited. Police officers should have courses or training that teach them what to do in close if they go to handcuff the guy and he decides to act. I can think of five or six different techniques I could use to stop the officer from cuffing me and threaten him sufficiently that his friends won't shoot me for fear of his life. I would never do it, because I don't ever intend to do something stupid enough to warrant getting handcuffed, I am merely giving an example. The only way to do it safely is to have the perp in an awkward body position which severely inhibits movement but optimizes cuffing. Of course, having the gun drawn would help in controlling the perp in case the situation goes south. It isn't very politically correct, though. Nowadays, officers use zip ties which makes it even more difficult to cuff a perp one handed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2008 23:34:47 GMT
I'd unholstered and fired in his direction. After all he is armed, menacing and threatning with a weapon, deadly force is warranted. Torso shots or maybe a little south in the torso region.............someone's lineage would be denied..........
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2008 2:12:49 GMT
Your basic police in Japan don't carry guns, I think they have a whistle and police boxes with bokken and things in them. It is only the elite police units that use guns.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2008 18:50:13 GMT
I'd unholstered and fired in his direction. After all he is armed, menacing and threatning with a weapon, deadly force is warranted. Torso shots or maybe a little south in the torso region.............someone's lineage would be denied.......... Don't know about Japan, but in the US, if you have the time to aim for none vital body parts, your life was not in immediate danger, and thus does not warrant you using lethal force, aka a gun. Not sure if the Police have the same stipulations or not, but that's the legal gist of things for citizens. So basically aim for the person in general, not for locations and unload. Otherwise some slick lawer will say you were not in danger worthy of using a gun.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2008 18:58:13 GMT
If you are thinking against an assailant you are dead, especially if the guy has a knife, there is a reason that you drill and drill and drill with the weapon you will use. I drill with knives because they are the weapon I specialize in and I drill to the point where if confronted with a stiuation I would have responded before I had time to think. To be a police officer you need that level of training, so you react instinctively.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2008 20:40:11 GMT
Your basic police in Japan don't carry guns, I think they have a whistle and police boxes with bokken and things in them. It is only the elite police units that use guns. Which is not their regular police. I think their anti-terrorist unit/special forces is used for escalation of domestic issues, too. They are known as the JSDF or Jieitai and have three fronts to defend air, land, and sea.
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