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Post by admin on Dec 28, 2007 4:14:42 GMT
Let's keep it friendly fellas, and try to bear in mind that people collect swords for all kinds of reasons. And as the reasons why are essentially objective and personal, let's keep the respect for those who happen to collect for different reasons, 'kay? (goes for all sides equally)(Sorry, haven't popped in the forums properly for a while and will only be lurking for the next few days - so please play nice while I am only 1/2 here. ) Cheers, - Paul
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2007 4:23:21 GMT
This thread is no longer a friendly or even spirited debate about why people who collect choose to train or not to train in a form of swordsmanship. Personally I would like to see all the off-topic name calling deleted from this thread. Could you please work out your personal issues privately?
Thank you, Jonathan
(Posted as Paul stepped in--sorry.)
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Dec 28, 2007 4:23:28 GMT
Yeah Chopchop, I don't think thats the level of respect we need here. Mate, we are now posting in a section, supposedly devoted to Japanese sword arts. Let me refer you too Rammsteins original post/opinion: Sorry chopchop. I meant yours were too harsh, but Ram was asking for it a bit. You'll see that I did actually modify that post to "Yeah Boys" before you posted this. I disagree with Ram's position, and I do think he's been biggoted. But I'll deal the frick with that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2007 4:40:37 GMT
I have swords for the historical significance primarily; it's the closest thing out there to owning a piece of history. Although I cut a poor unsuspecting piece of cardboard every once in a while, I'd rather hold them, swing them a couple of times and appreciate their significance in shaping the world we live in - despite the violence & blood shed that naturally accompanied their use. …So not every one who owns a sword has to practice proper use & technique. Let's be honest, there are a lot of other hobbies out there that are more useful, but if you derive pleasure out of serious sword practice, then that's great! It's all about gaining pleasure out of swords one way or another... Karma to RicWilly for encouraging peacemaking
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Post by rammstein on Dec 28, 2007 13:46:18 GMT
If it's come so far as being insulted for posting one's opinion, I no longer feel welcome here. I'm contemplating quitting this total cesspool.
I know I'm in the right. I shouldn't have to defend myself against the likes of you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2007 14:44:57 GMT
Hi Brenno, We've something like a Schrodinger equation here, and will the cat live? Will you read this, thus collapsing the wave function, and have I influenced your decision with dictionary spelling? Moreover, will we ever know? Even if you read me, you may not say. If I make a mistake, you may not even say that you were justified not to say. It's a tough nut to crack. I wonder whether reverting to Pascal's wager, by adjusting my behavior to the chance that you will both read and report, is worth it? Shrodinger's cat has an equal but indeterminate (very strange) chance of living, but I've been reduced to one-in-three. And now my wife thinks I have a girlfriend. Apparently your statement, "it may be ok for messaging your girlfriend," can only be untrue if your choices for both subject and syntax are completely arbitrary. There's only one solution. Drop the cyanide by opening the box, and I can jump out with an equal chance of escaping enough gas to survive. This way, you'll improve my chances of survival tremendously, from worse than one-in-three to 75%! intellectualism isn't dead. it just never was. i never had a hand, or even a dog in the fight. i like every1 here, mostly (I suspect) cuz this limited format provides at least equal odds that i can be as amused as i am anythin else. i'm allowed to "[be] guided by what feel, and not by what see. let go of that and choose this." SBG rocks. and i don't even know why.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Dec 28, 2007 15:40:32 GMT
Iaowho, I way prefer the proper grammar thanks, but as to what you said it may as well have been in code. Something about taking cyanide? Maybe that explains it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2007 15:53:37 GMT
just reviewed whole thread, and am surprised bloodwraith (and his "incredible creds" here at SBG) didn't prevail w/:
Ramm: JSA doesn't belong to Chopchop but he is probably our most knowledgeable JSA guy and he has a right to his opinion as much as anyone else, he could have gone about it a different way but I don't think he was trying to have a go at you.
Chop: you come across a bit strong at times mate and whilst I don't think you deserved to be smote I do think that there is a better way to get things across yeah?
there's sumthin else he was sayin w/o sayin. namely, that chopchop, in a moment of pique perhaps, was defendin cabahl, who is brand new here, and who posted the thread, against a perceived attack (at most) or chilling effect (at least) by Rammstein. he was protectin the yung (yes, even the sub-conscious sort, f/ whence he sprang), and that after he'd given a karma 2 the good lad. i'd give chopchop a karma (and even at the risk of losin my karma priveleges), if i thought he'd appreciate it as much as the one he lost. but spend it 2 make it, what's the difference? he certainly has sum currency, and bloodwraith knows better than all of us.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2007 16:05:32 GMT
Sorry for the Code Brenno, Thanks for writing. I'm out of the box (doghouse really), well ahead of the cyanide. By reading your kind response, my wife is absolutely convinced there is no real girlfriend. In fact, she's pretty sure there was never even a euphemistic girlfriend. All's well that ends well, eh?
cats have nine lives anyway, and i understand yer grammar standards just fine, per yer recent endorsement (and 4 wh/ citing u were given a karma. ugh.), provided here:
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Joined: Mar 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 866 Location: Western Australia Karma: 65 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Sharpening and Polishing « Reply #3 on Oct 11, 2007, 8:20pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks to Fatecaller for the following guide for how he brings a mirror like polish to a rough blade:
"Hey brenno, again i say awesome work man. Truely inspiring. On the 3 blades ive made so far, i found the best way to make em smooth and shinny on the sides..( i actually managed to get mirror polish, show room finish on them) is a few simple steps.
1. use ur belt sander with a 120 grit belt run along the length of the blade 2 make sure theres no hollows or bends. u find them very quick this way. once uve done this for a min or 2 u get a fairly even sanding grain out of the deal.
2. then i switch 2 a disc sander on my cordless drill. Its just a big rubber pad with 220 grit automotive discs. do this till u only see the vertical lines in the blade. then i switch to a 400 grit hand paper and run it the length of the blade just to get the high ridges out.
3. Now is the most important one. 600 grit on ur disc sander. this step takes the longest to make sure u get all the deeper scars out but u will see the biggest improvement in this step. make sure theres lots of friction as to sand as hard as ur drill can handle without burning it out. but after u do this u will begin to see that mirror shine already. and it looks incredible. u probably wont even believe that u are capable of making it look like that cause i know i was shocked. after this i use 1000 1500 and 2000 grit hand paper 2 do the final tweeking. this i all do by hand running it the length of the blade. the more elbow grease u use the better the finish. when u are done i kid u not, u will be able 2 use ur sword as a mirror. and it will look fantastic. "
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2007 16:22:09 GMT
I have creds? Woohoo go me! I think this is now entirely warranted; Having said that, I don't think a cat in a box is going to survive around a whole bunch of guys wielding swords who like to stab boxes and cut them up. If there is a cat inside said box I am very sure it won't be alive for very long. I guess having been around the forums I have gotten to know people by what they write and how they write. I personally prefer proper grammar and people being civil to each other. In this case i don't think any harshness was meant on either side and that this can be resolved by agreeing to disagree. ... Egads! Would you look at that, I am being sensible and reasonable, this is a strange new state of being for me, it feels all weird being the peacemaker but i will do what i can to make sure this forum doesn't become a battlefield over remarks by people we really don't know from a bar of soap.
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Post by Jeff K. ( Jak) on Dec 28, 2007 16:52:04 GMT
If it's come so far as being insulted for posting one's opinion, I no longer feel welcome here. I'm contemplating quitting this total cesspool. I know I'm in the right. I shouldn't have to defend myself against the likes of you. Ramm, I think its all in the delivery of the opinion. sometimes we might take offence at something that was not meant to be offensive so we post back acting defensivly. Some people might wonder "whoa, wheres this comin from!?" i know, i've been on both sides of this situation...we probably all have at one time or another....usually i just let it go unless its directed at me. As for your quitting....you might not like some people and they might not like you, but undeniably, you have a lot of knowledge that is interesting to us all, so it'd be a shame to see you go mate.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2007 16:56:12 GMT
honestly BW,
nobody's here 4 the grammar, anymore than they're here to be uncivil. but 2 the extent that anythin is ever other than we expect, isn't humor as legitimate a response as any? and c'mon...didn't u also credit chopchop w/ at least a redeeming motive when u intervened? (and have i not gotten 2 know people by what and how they write as well?) but 2 know me better (thanks 4 askin!), rest assured in your new reasonableness and sensibility that i've had my fill of geese and ganders a long time now. (translation: u won't have any trouble outa me). i just didn't see anythin, when i joined here, about spellin. my grammar, on the other hand, is impeccable.
and i'd like 2 echo jak,
whose sentiment is where mine has been since just recently readin of Rammstein's thought of leavin. in the midst of such absurdity and relative chaos, why do anythin Ram? f/ a historical perspective, how wld u advise a general? i once read lotsa yer posts b/c of sumthin particularly poignant u did recently, to a can of progresso. and cuz of what it did 2 yer sword. and cuz u were honest. i like a lotta yer stuff, but cld only read so much. (you've posted 300 since december 7, wh/ was as far back as my computer dial-up cld download, but i've followed other of yer threads further back at other times.) so yer also prolific here, wh/ means u like them and they like u. can't make a much grosser generalisation than that. it also seems like a heap o' liftin 2 overturn it all. meanwhile i gotta go give chopchop sum bad (er, questionable) news at another post. sure do learn a lot here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2007 20:32:39 GMT
I cannot read your posts at all, my friend.
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Post by YlliwCir on Dec 28, 2007 20:32:52 GMT
I had the creds once, took forever to get rid of em.
Got three cats too, well they're the wifes but I like em ok especially since that one quit peeing in my shoes.
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Post by chakobsa on Dec 28, 2007 20:54:08 GMT
If it's come so far as being insulted for posting one's opinion, I no longer feel welcome here. I'm contemplating quitting this total cesspool. I know I'm in the right. I shouldn't have to defend myself against the likes of you. Ramm', throwing your toys out of the play pen and stamping off, not to mention insulting the membership en masse with your colourful "cesspool" comment isn't really helping your argument, is it? And as for "I know I'm in the right", enough said. God help you man, if you can get so wound up over a couple of posts on a reasonably friendly internet forum, I hope for your sake that you grow yourself a set before stepping out into the big wide world, and if you're going to go around with that big a chip on your shoulder, some training might not be a bad idea.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2007 21:41:33 GMT
If it's come so far as being insulted for posting one's opinion, I no longer feel welcome here. I'm contemplating quitting this total cesspool. Ramm, leaving only puts you in a position of checkmate. Don't be so prissy on your opinions mate, you see me get smited all the time for standing up for what I believe in , don't you ? Still mate, just like the sun will come up I am back( to the sound of very distant cheers ;D). As I try very, very, very hard to refrain from going into the firearms section and voicing my opinion, maybe you should do the same in the JSA section. Unless you have a sincere question mate then please feel free to intervene.Please . It was probably just the way you phrazed your opinion that set me off .
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Post by admin on Dec 28, 2007 22:34:30 GMT
I think this thread got off on the wrong foot.. And then went spiralling out of control from there. We all know how easy it can be to misinterpret 'words online', despite smileys, etc (though they do go a long way to help). So I think that the general unwritten rule that works is to 'interpret things in the friendliest sounding voice possible'.In other words, Cabahl's original thread title 'why have 'em if you ain't gonna train...' could possibly be be construed to have at least the following two meanings (one extreme to the other) NEGATIVE INTERPRETATION: "You don't deserve to own a sword unless you do a martial art with them"POSITIVE INTERPRETATION: "Well, I've got some swords, I might as well do some training with them! ;D"By the context of the rest of his post, I would say the intended meaning was more along the second interpretation than the first. So I guess the trick is to always give the benefit of the doubt and interpret things as positively as possible (a really negative post, no matter how 'nice' you read it will always sound the way it was intended). Sorry for my 'pop pysche 101' - Paul
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Post by Jeff K. ( Jak) on Dec 28, 2007 22:38:22 GMT
well said, sir, well said
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2007 22:57:34 GMT
Hi Brenno, We've something like a Schrodinger equation here, and will the cat live? Will you read this, thus collapsing the wave function, and have I influenced your decision with dictionary spelling? Moreover, will we ever know? Even if you read me, you may not say. If I make a mistake, you may not even say that you were justified not to say. It's a tough nut to crack. I wonder whether reverting to Pascal's wager, by adjusting my behavior to the chance that you will both read and report, is worth it? Shrodinger's cat has an equal but indeterminate (very strange) chance of living, but I've been reduced to one-in-three. And now my wife thinks I have a girlfriend. Apparently your statement, "it may be ok for messaging your girlfriend," can only be untrue if your choices for both subject and syntax are completely arbitrary. There's only one solution. Drop the cyanide by opening the box, and I can jump out with an equal chance of escaping enough gas to survive. This way, you'll improve my chances of survival tremendously, from worse than one-in-three to 75%! When we started, I thought we had an equal but indeterminate chance of resolution. When the flop came, I dropped to one-in-three. The turn hurt, but it hurt my wife more. If I make my open-ended straight, there's the added chance you'll make your flush. You know what they say about the river. You never step in it twice. The Tao begot one, one begot two, two begot three, and three begot the ten thousand things. Among these, the five colors blind the eye, the five tones deafen the ear, the five flavors dull the taste. (Or to quote the aforementioned Dorothy Sayers' Lord Peter Whimsey, "Suffice to say, what we behold is censored by our eyes.") i fold. intellectualism isn't dead. it just never was. i never had a hand, or even a dog in the fight. i like every1 here, mostly (I suspect) cuz this limited format provides at least equal odds that i can be as amused as i am anythin else. i'm allowed to "[be] guided by what feel, and not by what see. let go of that and choose this." SBG rocks. and i don't even know why. Please, please laowho. Leave Robert anton Wilson out of this, can you imagine the confusion mate. ;D
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Post by chakobsa on Dec 28, 2007 23:07:50 GMT
Hi Brenno, We've something like a Schrodinger equation here, and will the cat live? Will you read this, thus collapsing the wave function, and have I influenced your decision with dictionary spelling? Moreover, will we ever know? Even if you read me, you may not say. If I make a mistake, you may not even say that you were justified not to say. It's a tough nut to crack. I wonder whether reverting to Pascal's wager, by adjusting my behavior to the chance that you will both read and report, is worth it? Shrodinger's cat has an equal but indeterminate (very strange) chance of living, but I've been reduced to one-in-three. And now my wife thinks I have a girlfriend. Apparently your statement, "it may be ok for messaging your girlfriend," can only be untrue if your choices for both subject and syntax are completely arbitrary. There's only one solution. Drop the cyanide by opening the box, and I can jump out with an equal chance of escaping enough gas to survive. This way, you'll improve my chances of survival tremendously, from worse than one-in-three to 75%! When we started, I thought we had an equal but indeterminate chance of resolution. When the flop came, I dropped to one-in-three. The turn hurt, but it hurt my wife more. If I make my open-ended straight, there's the added chance you'll make your flush. You know what they say about the river. You never step in it twice. The Tao begot one, one begot two, two begot three, and three begot the ten thousand things. Among these, the five colors blind the eye, the five tones deafen the ear, the five flavors dull the taste. (Or to quote the aforementioned Dorothy Sayers' Lord Peter Whimsey, "Suffice to say, what we behold is censored by our eyes.") i fold. intellectualism isn't dead. it just never was. i never had a hand, or even a dog in the fight. i like every1 here, mostly (I suspect) cuz this limited format provides at least equal odds that i can be as amused as i am anythin else. i'm allowed to "[be] guided by what feel, and not by what see. let go of that and choose this." SBG rocks. and i don't even know why. Please, please laowho. Leave Robert anton Wilson out of this, can you imagine the confusion mate. ;D Yeah, what Chopchop said. Don't let them immanentize the Eschaton. Hail Eris!
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