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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2007 3:39:50 GMT
It looks like I have found a nice place for me to train. I received an invite to visit Atlanta Budokan and watch a Shinkendo class. I think its a good fit for me and it will allow me to train 4-5 days a week. I figure you better learn to respect the sword because it damn sure ain't gonna respect you. Wish me luck.
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Post by slav on Dec 11, 2007 5:27:46 GMT
Cool! Tell us how it goes! I assume you will start with bokken? (and probably use it exclusively for a few months before handling a live blade.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2007 7:05:07 GMT
It looks like I have found a nice place for me to train. I received an invite to visit Atlanta Budokan and watch a Shinkendo class. I think its a good fit for me and it will allow me to train 4-5 days a week. I figure you better learn to respect the sword because it damn sure ain't gonna respect you. Wish me luck. Dude, if more people were to share our outlook on training there would be alot more better rounded citizens in general. Have a karma.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2007 19:11:01 GMT
Finances permitting, I will be starting in January myself.
Funny thing is, tameshigiri doesn't interest me half as much as Iai. I guess watching all of those Zatoichi movies left an impression on me. Shintaro Katsu was just amazing at drawing the sword.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2007 9:21:16 GMT
Finances permitting, I will be starting in January myself. Funny thing is, tameshigiri doesn't interest me half as much as Iai. I guess watching all of those Zatoichi movies left an impression on me. Shintaro Katsu was just amazing at drawing the sword. I love the old Zatoichi movies, Shintaro Katsu was amazing even if it was an alloy iaito he used.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2007 15:02:38 GMT
uggh been dyin 2 get me to a funnery, ie dojo/kwoon, but i'm in tallahassee, and not many prospects. hard shaolin styles at kwoons, nasty franchised tai chi 4 soft, and an aikido place that thinks itsa church. gives me the heebie jeebies, and every1 is so tightly puckered. curse Morihei Ueshiba O Sensei's penchant 4 cults! (and in his 1938 book, BUDO, he gives the number 3 rule for the dojo: always practice in the spirit of joy.) maybe i'll go back, newly armed. lord, tallahassee sucks. heard of a liuhebafa master who works in the sushi section of one of our dozen Publix. no luck so far. srry Cabahl. didn't mean 2 rain on yer parade. just that it's really been buggin me lately, and i saw yer post. even dreamt (i think...not sure, so much online research) of a place in china that will trade teachin kungfu for learnin english.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2007 17:27:02 GMT
There's a "Ving Tsun" (read Wing Chun) kwoon down your way, plus that Yawara Dojo seems interesting.
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Post by rammstein on Dec 26, 2007 19:28:39 GMT
I have plenty of reasons both pro and con to training.
Training with sword in general seems rather "look at me, I'm a bonafide samoorai!" On the other hand, it IS good to know just how your reproductions were used in battle. Now, I personally (at the moment, as of now, whatever...may change) have no desire to learn how to go out and wonk a wanker over the head with a sword. Nor do I honestly care how to, it just doesn't appeal to me. That said, I DO like WATCHING the appropriate usage and application of swords in battle.
Honestly, some people make a conscious decision NOT to train with their swords. Can you disrespect them for that? I know several people who are vastly more knowledgable than most here who don't take formal classes yet still collect weaponry for the sake of enrichment in their lives. Training may be one way to fulfil this enrichment for you, but don't push it on others.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2007 22:54:20 GMT
I have plenty of reasons both pro and con to training. Training with sword in general seems rather "look at me, I'm a bonafide samoorai!" On the other hand, it IS good to know just how your reproductions were used in battle. Now, I personally (at the moment, as of now, whatever...may change) have no desire to learn how to go out and wonk a wanker over the head with a sword. Nor do I honestly care how to, it just doesn't appeal to me. That said, I DO like WATCHING the appropriate usage and application of swords in battle. Rammstein, you are a strange little boy ! If you look at your life as a whole, you spend the money you earn to buy the swords you want if you never learn the correct usage of those swords, your life will never come full circle. This is where you show your age mate, an older person with the same belief as yourself wouldn't feel the need to justify their feelings with a defensive response such as you did. I think what you do like "WATCHING" mate, is too many movies when you could use that time(1 or 2 hours a day) to train those child bearing hips of yours into a real(as opposed to your imagination) strong, muscular brace. Honestly, some people make a conscious decision NOT to train with their swords. Can you disrespect them for that? I know several people who are vastly more knowledgable than most here who don't take formal classes yet still collect weaponry for the sake of enrichment in their lives. Training may be one way to fulfil this enrichment for you, but don't push it on others. Before you go winging to Paul or Sept(keep up the good work guys!). We are NOT pushing anything my insecure friend, YOU chose to post all defensively on an open thread.Remember Rammstein, Everything on this forum is not structured to fit into your over-nutured psychie, that is your parents job !
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Post by tajima on Dec 27, 2007 0:04:59 GMT
Hmmm.... Mixed opinions. I do not see what Rammstein would need to object too - I did not read of anyone pushing it upon people.
However, I agree with Ramm (Even if it was not suggested) That if someone just wants to collect swords for the fulfillment of having them (I know I feel it!) and not train, that is fine and that they should not be pestered too - however, I cannot see this happening on the forum...
-Tajima
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Post by randomnobody on Dec 27, 2007 0:58:29 GMT
His post is fine. I've seen far worse. I sincerely hope, Tajima, that you are not in fact out to become the Forum Grammar Nazi. That would be rather disappointing. That aside, I spent a good bit of time trying to find a local place when I moved. Nothing here. I couldn't find the first place to gain even the bare minimal level of formal sword training. However, I still wish to own swords, for their value as artistic pieces and as functional tools. I'll probably be leaving the production sword market soon, and beginning down the road of antiques, as I find myself more drawn into the appeal of genuine historic pieces. This was my first reason to get into collecting, for the history represented, but I've come to the realization that history is not held in modern-made items. They're pretty, and fun to play with, but they're no bit of history. To go one step further, once I buy an antique, I won't be approaching any dojos trying to train with said antique. That'd not be wise, in my mind. I couldn't imagine finding a 500+ year old sword, having it a week, and breaking it in some training accident. Sure, IF I find someplace, I'll grab a new something-or-other to use there, but as I haven't found one yet, I doubt I will be, thus I'll be shifting my focus back to my original goal: collecting pieces of history and learning their stories. Before chop comes in, let me say that I'm not defending anything. I'm not nearly as insecure as chop chop seems to be when he's pinning the same word on others (poking fun at ya, chop, no hard feelings, eh? ) but I do agree with the "collecting for decoration" side as well. No, wallhangers don't make good decorations. They're ugly. If you're going to hang a sword to show off its looks, nothing beats the real deal. Especially if "the real deal" Is THE REAL DEAL. So many swords, so very old, that I want so much...and I had no idea how affordable they are. Screw production, I want one of those. In short, I own a few swords, and will be buying more, but I don't see myself involved in any formal training. I'll pick 'em up and swing 'em around from time to time, maybe cut this or that, but frankly, in my experience, if I could afford training, I wouldn't have time for it. If I made time for it, I wouldn't be able to afford it. When I worked, I worked constantly. Now that I'm not working, I'm broke. There's got to be a happy medium somewhere...or a free school! (yeah right)
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Post by rammstein on Dec 27, 2007 2:33:30 GMT
Bugger off. I'm entirely sick of you, honestly. Feel free to have your opinions. But when you gety down to trying to trash what I consider educational learning, then we've got problems.
Have a smite for not learning to hold your tongue. WE've all got rights to post. You're not any more special than me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2007 2:43:21 GMT
Chopchop ... you're being an sanctimonious $emprinihat, lighten up. He wants to collect em ... live and let live. What is it with you and playing God with other people's freedom? Training with sword in general seems rather "look at me, I'm a bonafide samoorai Ramm, this was a little petty on your part. People want to train .. let em. No real need to get down on them. I bet a lot of people walk a middle path and collect, take a few lessons when they can and cut a little more as a hobby. Can't we all just get along ?
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Post by YlliwCir on Dec 27, 2007 3:26:33 GMT
Well put, Centurion. Karma for you, sir.
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Post by rammstein on Dec 27, 2007 3:36:30 GMT
That was rather my point. I feel it's pointless, but I have no problems with others doing it
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2007 3:49:25 GMT
Collectors,collect.Martial artist do martial arts.But neither one is exclusive of the other.If you want to know about a new or old sword ,you go to a collector. If you want to know how it was used you ask a practitioner of that art.You can do what you want it's all good.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2007 4:17:56 GMT
That was rather my point. I feel it's pointless, but I have no problems with others doing it Well, I don't know about you but there is something viscerally satisfying about a well made cut that is much better IMO than even a 300 yard bullseye with an iron sighted rifle. I'm still starting out and I can see why people train with them. ;D Of course a 100 yard pistol shot trumps both of them but hey .... apples and oranges. Ramm, do you do any cutting with them at all? Just curious if you've gotten that same feeling from a perfect cut?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2007 4:43:24 GMT
I'm currently doing ninjutsu so I can learn further how to use weapons properly, I also do re-enactment so I can learn the proper use of medieval weapons as well as reading books about it and I have done some chinese martial arts again so I can learn to use the weapons I have properly. My opinion is if you are going to collect you should know how to use the weapons because that is apart of collecting weapons. Understanding how they work is just as important if not more so than having the weapons. If you don't know how they work then how can you fully appreciate what you are collecting?
Just my opinion.
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Post by YlliwCir on Dec 27, 2007 5:09:22 GMT
To answer the question posed in the thread title: Because training is work and cutting stuff up is fun. ;D To each their own tho.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2007 6:39:21 GMT
Bugger off. I'm entirely sick of you, honestly. Feel free to have your opinions. But when you gety down to trying to trash what I consider educational learning, then we've got problems. Have a smite for not learning to hold your tongue. WE've all got rights to post. You're not any more special than me. Rammstein you and I are more similar than you would have yourself believe mate. PLEASE DO NOT FORGET, YOU CAME TOO ME ON THIS ISSUE ! So don't go all acting the innocent, If you want to play in the JSA section you have too expect that some of us are going to be serious practitioners and not wish to conform to your lack of commitment to any sword art. This is not about collecting, this is about using something for what it is intended, as taught from experience. Please look at this from my perspective buddy, how many illiterate people would you really think would want to own bookstores ? c'mon , rammy think mate. In life dude, you always get what you put in ! .....unless you get hit by a bus, then your buggered man ! ;D
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