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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2007 7:31:04 GMT
I'm not sure the smite was warranted, I didn't think we smote each other for hurting people's feelings?
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Dec 27, 2007 12:44:35 GMT
I'm not sure the smite was warranted, I didn't think we smote each other for hurting people's feelings? I dunno BW I don't want to get involved but I think a smite can be used to affirm that treating one a certain way is not tolerable. If smites are not to condemn disrespectful, and hurtful posts then what are they there for?
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Post by rammstein on Dec 27, 2007 13:16:19 GMT
Last time I checked, JSA did not belong to you Chopchop. I posted dmy opinions. If they hurt your little psyche, pull your head out of your bung hole and learn the the entire world doesn't have to agree with you and can still be a nice place.
I've done plenty of backyard cutting, but it's just not fun for me. I've essentially stopped doing it for the most part. That's not even really training. My goal in collecting swords is to learn, not to do.
Speaking of illeterate, you've obviously not read anything I've said.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2007 13:46:30 GMT
Ok boys,
That is about enough of that yeah? This is a friendly forum and we don't start flame fests.
Ramm: JSA doesn't belong to Chopchop but he is probably our most knowledgeable JSA guy and he has a right to his opinion as much as anyone else, he could have gone about it a different way but I don't think he was trying to have a go at you.
Chop: you come across a bit strong at times mate and whilst I don't think you deserved to be smote I do think that there is a better way to get things across yeah?
I am not defending anyone here, I just want you two to stop this before it gets out of hand.
Also a part of collecting swords and learning about swords is learning how to use them, if you miss one element then you are not a collector you are just another guy with a pretty but useless collection.
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Post by YlliwCir on Dec 27, 2007 16:45:05 GMT
Wraith, a karma to you for being the peacemaker. I think I'll go out back later and cut some bottles up with my useless collection, not so pretty, kinda scruffed up. ;D Just a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2007 17:02:41 GMT
thx kortoso! went 2 the ving tsun place. nobody home, but the sign outside was nice and worn! it's tucked away in an obscure corner of a now defunct amtrak station. and the yamawara dojo i will definitely visit (they have 2 here! one is very near.) and yeah, it Does look pretty interestin. www.mushingojuryu.com/HistoryofGoju.htmlwild & crazy lineages here: 1)shaolin chuan-fa ("kempo," or "chinese hand fist system") reaches okinawa in 14th(?) cent. by the 17th cent. it's popular as "toudi," or chinese fist. 2)okinawans had their own independent form, called "te," well b4 14th cent. kempo. they combined te w/ kempo to form "kara-te." 3)japan invades okinawa, bans martial training 4 300 years (srry Tajima), durin wh/ time okinawan te grows 3 branches: shuri-te (hard & offensive); naha-te (soft, daoist breathing, and "ki," w/ more defensive throws, locks); and tomari-te (hard/soft techniques of kempo). 4)ending 19th cent., shuri-te and tomari-te are shorin ryu(school/style). naha-te becomes goju (hard and soft) ryu. its famous masters/patriarchs steeped themselves in trainin at fuzshou province, china. this (tallahassee) yamawara dojo is a goju ryu dojo, of american ancestry when peter urban (grand patriarch? of all american goju systems) split f/ gogen yamaguchi b/c when, while askin permission 2 open u.s. school, was denied and told whitie can never c nirvana. (yamaguchi apologized next day, but still denied permission per tradition.) frank ruiz took the mantle, establishin this "nisei" brand of goju (1960's/70's in ny/miami), wh/ 1 here is a branch of a jacksonville school. karma 2 u! hi Tajima! turns out we both got ugh wrong. while we're on the subject, is "breal/breel" a real word? wouldn't it b in scrabble dict'y? (read it in a forum. context: "feared i'd breal that edge just lookin at it!" as in the edge was very insubstantial.) as 4 the rest, it's an affectation i picked up f/ dorothy sayers' character lord peter whimsey, who'd had a "change" f/ seein his men die in wwI. there's other/better precedent (james joyce certainly, and his whole issue/retinue), but i don't justify it. i spell every1's name good, and even kapitalize it when they dew. and i found a place 2 trade english 4 chen tai in china! it wasn't a dream, or was it? (when a person dreams in a forest, do we see it?) that's my secret purpose in life...to eradicate [the] capital(s), purify thought, ruin promisin yung minds, all that sorta stuff. i tell u all this only b/c sumtimes people feel better when they think they know where sumthin cums f/. me especially! but i'm workin on my sosan: the great way isn't difficult 4 those who have no preferences when luv & hate r both absent everythin bcums clear & undisguised make the smallest distinction, however, and heaven & earth r set infinitely apart if u wanna c the truth, hold no opinion 4 or against the struggle of what 1 likes & what 1 dislikes is the disease of the mind. and Randomnobody, here's a rare site that teaches online free (apparently chen tradition has an element of not charging 4 instruction). i got lucky. maybe u will 2. www.chentaichi.com/i downloaded/saved each of the 70 forms, and each has its own detailed instruction page. sure there are/will b other sites for other styles, and youtube has a huge inventory, wh/ is how i found mine. cheers (and srry if i started all this w/ my pissy moanin about tallahassee. ugh!)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2007 17:31:14 GMT
lol!! came here 2 give kortoso karma 4 find 4 me, and c a virtual karma-festivus! last count cabahl +1 f/ chopchop chopchop -1 f/ Rammstein centurion +1 f/RicWilly bloodwraith +1 f/ RicWilly kortoso +1 f/ (me) and cabahl +1 f/ (me) cuz i whined and but he started it all 2 help me 2 get sumthin interestin in tallahassee (how else 2 say Tajima?) and +1 2 my kaze cuz it made me get a medicine ball, wh/ is the bomb.
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Post by septofclansinclair on Dec 27, 2007 19:37:43 GMT
Bloodwraith is right, flame fests help no one. There's alot of wisdom in the old saying, "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."
Feel free to disagree, even argue, passionately about your opposing points. I think that those kinds of conversations should be welcome here. But stay away from the personal insults - that kind of stuff is just unnecessary.
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Post by tajima on Dec 27, 2007 20:38:10 GMT
@ Laowho, I am deeply sorry that it came across the way it did. I assure you I was just completed reading the Roleplays in the archives and I noticed it... I would not have bothered otherwise. Nothing against you, just a force of habit. I'll remove the correction for you.
@ Randomnobody. Me? Grammar Nazi? Never! Well, only if you wander into the roleplays...but that's different.
Here everyone, I'll brace myself and have a go at some...less than perfect grammar...
"hay vry1 ima just bougt a oniyuri katna frm chenes. vry happy wit!"
Wow, that was...frighteningly...fun...hard...too resist...
Nah, I joke everyone. Sorry if I offended anyone. -Tajima
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Post by randomnobody on Dec 27, 2007 21:37:46 GMT
@ Randomnobody. Me? Grammar Nazi? Never! Well, only if you wander into the roleplays...but that's different. I knew there was a reason I avoid that place. I'm not sure if I'm bothered more by what you typed or the fact that it took no effort to read.
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Post by rammstein on Dec 27, 2007 22:03:53 GMT
My points:
1.) I have the right to train or not train without being accused of disrespect 2.) I am mature enough to decide that for myself 3.) I see no point in training for my PERSONAL goal 4.) Just because I don't wish to train doesn't mean that I have anything against those who do 5.) I enjoy watching not doing
So, where exactly have I posted anything controversial?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2007 22:07:45 GMT
Hahahahahahahahahah LOL, excuse me Ramm but who is 'ILLITERATE' mate ? ;D ;D ;D ("you really do walk into these things baldrick ?") , you've obviously not read anything I've said. Yeah I'm sorry there ramm, I have not yet had the time to decipher Arsetalkian ? Ramm, as like you choose not to learn an art I have given my lifes learning too I will never share your outlook on your reasons for possession of bladed weapons. I do believe that your upbringing has lead you to question and be suspicious of most, if not all systems of learning that are not approved by your parents. This does not mean that others will always share, or sympathize with your outlooks because they are inbred into you. Here lies a very big misconception of youth that 'everyone should feel the same as me' complex. This creating isolation, and indifference when the reality is shattered. I believe in my art so much that I let it guide my life and in return I have balance, peace, agility, skill, compassion and knowing. You on the other hand look at training with maybe,suspicion, all this does is breed inadequacy, doubt, defensive justifications and complacency. Yes Ramm, we are all entitled to our opinion so now you know where I stand mate.
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Post by rammstein on Dec 27, 2007 23:41:12 GMT
Subjective opinion. I'll have you know I type the mispelling running out of the door to go spend time with my family.
And I'll not have you call my beliefs inadequate. As far as I'm concerned the attitude you've shown through your actions both here as well as through your other sanctimonious rantings have pretty much given JSA and other training a bad name. If that's the type 0of mentality that passes off as, oh how did you put it? - "I let it guide my life and in return I have balance, peace, agility, skill, compassion and knowing" - Then I'd rather avoid it, honestly.
You don't know my parents so, do us all a favor and stop shooting your mouth off.
oh, very mature. I'm sure you win a lot of debates THAT way.
That said, I'm not against what you're saying at all. I'm against the WAY you are saying it. I'm got my opinion, you've got yours. We've also got different goals. No where in my posts have I tried to "force" my opinion on you. I'm answering the uestion posed in the title.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2007 23:46:29 GMT
yes Tajima, this is all very funny, and u had me chokin, 1st @ yer hyper-conscientiousness (most confucian and predictable), and then @ yer feeble attempt at slang. but i know u liked it, wh/ is why i laughed so hard. thx. please...no retraction! and karma 4 yer efforts, and at the other work u do here. there. that's post 99, and i think i passed RicWilly on givin karma. sumthin happen @ 100?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2007 0:06:50 GMT
I dont see any problem with Rammstein posting his opinion on this matter. He simply answered the question posed. Everyone has a right to decide wether they want to go through formal training. I, like Rammstein, have little interest in watching/learning a modern interpretation of a sword art that is mostly for imppressive visuals. To each his own. I would much rather learn, read, and study swords, rather than learning to use one in a modern context. This is a position most of the serious sword collectors over at SFI or Myarmoury would take. Would you challenge their genuinality, Chopchop? And rammstein is right that you have a ridiculous stlye of pomp when speaking. How can you truly expect not to be smited when you make such ludicrous and crass comments and verbal jabs. The Arsetalkian comment... that was classy. Real classy.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Dec 28, 2007 0:29:02 GMT
Yeah boys, I don't think thats the level of respect we need to promote here.
Iaowho - If you're going to write like that I reserve the right not to bother reading it so as to preserve my sanity - in a kind of chamomile tea way. Too hard. Call me old school, it may be ok for messaging your girlfriend, but not for holding intelectual conversations.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2007 1:24:26 GMT
Yeah Chopchop, I don't think thats the level of respect we need here. Mate, we are now posting in a section, supposedly devoted to Japanese sword arts. Let me refer you too Rammsteins original post/opinion: Training with sword in general seems rather "look at me, I'm a bonafide samoorai!" On the other hand, it IS good to know just how your reproductions were used in battle. Now, I personally (at the moment, as of now, whatever...may change) have no desire to learn how to go out and wonk a wanker over the head with a sword. Nor do I honestly care how to, it just doesn't appeal to me. That said, I DO like WATCHING the appropriate usage and application of swords in battle. It may be his opinion, but where is the respect in that comment. Personally, I can't be the only one who cringes while reading it, then Princess Rammstein expects all to fall at his feet(opinion) and praise him for his ingenuity. I would never disrespect someone who I thought came with genuine intent, but all Rammstein has provided us with is derogatory assumptions i.e. 'samoorai' and 'wak the wanker' comments, about why we learn the things we learn. As like I know as much about your parents Ramm ! Brenno, I may post a bit harsh sometimes mate but that's what life is about, blunt realisms, not pampering someones ego for the sake of karma points.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2007 1:28:20 GMT
here it is kortoso, a good sample of okinawan goju:
gonna check out the yamawara dojo here, hope for sumthin similar. thought it said sumthin about jujitsu too, wh wld b weird. this is definitely karate, but so many familiar chinese forms, even yoga apparent. can't wait
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Post by rammstein on Dec 28, 2007 2:54:29 GMT
Yeah Chopchop, I don't think thats the level of respect we need here. Mate, we are now posting in a section, supposedly devoted to Japanese sword arts. Let me refer you too Rammsteins original post/opinion: Training with sword in general seems rather "look at me, I'm a bonafide samoorai!" On the other hand, it IS good to know just how your reproductions were used in battle. Now, I personally (at the moment, as of now, whatever...may change) have no desire to learn how to go out and wonk a wanker over the head with a sword. Nor do I honestly care how to, it just doesn't appeal to me. That said, I DO like WATCHING the appropriate usage and application of swords in battle. It may be his opinion, but where is the respect in that comment. Personally, I can't be the only one who cringes while reading it, then Princess Rammstein expects all to fall at his feet(opinion) and praise him for his ingenuity. I would never disrespect someone who I thought came with genuine intent, but all Rammstein has provided us with is derogatory assumptions i.e. 'samoorai' and 'wak the wanker' comments, about why we learn the things we learn. As like I know as much about your parents Ramm ! Brenno, I may post a bit harsh sometimes mate but that's what life is about, blunt realisms, not pampering someones ego for the sake of karma points. 1.) I expect no praise, only respect for my opinion. AS you appear completely unable to honor that, I have the right to complain. 2.) Those are my opinions, deal the frick with them! I see NO value in learning how to cut a person in half. Big freaking whoop! Does it make you feel superior that you do? Is this why you have to flaunt yourself as such? You've obviously got no respect whatsoever for yourself nor the tact to hold a decent argument (AFAIK, this argument was started because you had the balls to insult me for stating a simple opinion) - That's the type of person I'd dread to be holding a sword. 3.) Calling me "princess Rammstein" is seriously hurting your case. You come hear filled with anger and complete lack of care towards anyone and try to back out now that you've got most of the forum angry at your mannerisms (again, not your intent or message, I'm perfectly fine with it). I'd suggest you stop now before you show yourself to be even more unworthy of posting priveledges. If you disagree, say so. I've got to problem with you disagreeing as long as you've got the ability to hold a discussion like that in such a way as you remember that you're talking to someone living and breathing who actually has feelings. AS of now, you've seem to have forgotten that. -Princess Rammstein.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2007 3:57:38 GMT
2.) Those are my opinions, deal the frick with them! I see NO value in learning how to cut a person in half. Big freaking whoop! Does it make you feel superior that you do? Is this why you have to flaunt yourself as such? You've obviously got no respect whatsoever for yourself nor the tact to hold a decent argument (AFAIK, this argument was started because you had the balls to insult me for stating a simple opinion) - That's the type of person I'd dread to be holding a sword. If this is all you know about the art I study, you are seriously misguided Ramm. Like I stated before mate, you can never really gain from something until you give yourself over to it. I use my sword to control myself, not others . 3.) Calling me "princess Rammstein" is seriously hurting your case. You come hear filled with anger and complete lack of care towards anyone and try to back out now that you've got most of the forum angry at your mannerisms (again, not your intent or message, I'm perfectly fine with it). I'd suggest you stop now before you show yourself to be even more unworthy of posting priveledges. If you disagree, say so. I've got to problem with you disagreeing as long as you've got the ability to hold a discussion like that in such a way as you remember that you're talking to someone living and breathing who actually has feelings. AS of now, you've seem to have forgotten that. -Princess Rammstein. You have a very inflated ego Rammstein. Please explain to us all why you think everyone ( ) on this forum shares your opinions ? After all this is NOT 'Rammstein's sword-looking forum', and the moderators could have stepped in before now if they had of liked ? Rammstein, you are the proverbial illiterate bookshop owner mate. ;D ;D
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