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Post by Larry Jordan on Apr 25, 2014 14:56:38 GMT
I find that longer magazines interfere with shooting prone and seated, YMMV. In field shooting the extended box magazine also presents challenges. With a flush fitting magazine I find it easier to build a shooting position.
The ubiquity of the 308/7.62Nato makes it a great choice for a TEOWAKI chambering. I prefer the balistics of the 6.5mm projectiles. The 140gr 6.5mm Sierra BTHP is delivering the same energy as the 168gr .308 Hornady Match at approx 400 yards. The 6.5mm projectile is superior in terms of inflight ballistics (less drop and wind drift) and sectional density. Although the recoil of the 308Win is not punishing, the 260Rem beats you up less.
I reload and have stocked up on 260Rem components.
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Post by crazywolf on Apr 25, 2014 17:05:54 GMT
larry haven't run into that problem yet with the 10 rounder's I don't do much prone a lot of off hand and some kneeling here in the east coast where I hunt it you went prone you could shoot something maybe 50 feet in front of you after that it's all trees and brush so I do a lot more off hand then any thing with a good sling you can get so a quick 75 yard shot is easy and about as far as your going to shoot where I hunt.and while I reload to and a have a good stock of ammo I just like it that if things get bad and you have to hit the pike 308 would be easier to find plus I bough a pile of the 308 brass German ammo when it was cheap. fun for play time and practice with reloading stuff getting harder and harder to find I'm trying to save my good bullets for hunting.but to each to his own and where you live and what you want to do with your rifle makes your choice right for you and mine for me.an ghost I'm not really into the latest's and newest stuff I like my older stuff and I have most of what I want and can afford.the only new stuff I have is my 1911's and my black rifles and shotguns I have for 3 gun and the ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE HA HA.when I want to go to the range for a fun afternoon I take one of my WWII bolt guns and some surplus ammo and have fun.sad part is when I'm shooting my 1944 mauser and hitting my target and the kid beside me with his hot rod ar is blasting away and not hitting anything. marksmanship seems to be going a away to spray and pray.so as I always say shoot what you enjoy and support all shooting sports we need to stick together to keep our shooting sports and after they take the firearms swords and other weapons will be next just look across the pond to see it in action.
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Post by Larry Jordan on Apr 27, 2014 2:04:25 GMT
Field Shooting Most of our shots in this terrain were prone and over 400 yards. Some were seated: one impressive shot at 365 yards from a hillside with a shooting position meticulously built with/on rocks.
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Post by Larry Jordan on Apr 27, 2014 3:15:09 GMT
Hickoc45 shooting the Ruger Gunsite Scout He initially used the factory [metal] magazine. He then transitioned to polymer magazines: 10-round and 5-round. The 5-rounder extends just below the trigger guard. All the managazines look staggered, not straight. Lastly, the way he is holding the rifle suggests that the rifle has a superior balance to my Remington Model 7. Photos show the barrel profile: heavy in front of the receiver. It steps down about 2-3" before it leaves the forearm. I am going to have to heft one of these. (This could be expen$ive).
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Post by Larry Jordan on Apr 27, 2014 4:26:32 GMT
Nutnfancy's Review of the Ruger Gunsite Scout
Not a glowing review: Some pro's and con's.
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Post by crazywolf on Apr 27, 2014 4:46:55 GMT
nice pic larry was that out west some where?went to Vegas once was hard to believe how far you could see.to many trees and rolling hill country around here for many shots like that. for 400 yards you would have to fine the right power line or gas line.heck we only have one range went a couple hour drive that is over 300 yards most are max out at 200.did go with a friend of mine up to the 1000 yard near William port that is some different kind of shooting.an I know my scout isn't prefect but what is they have been looking for that prefect rifle for a couple of 100 years and still haven't found it.would like to shoot with you some time I think we would have some good times.we could both bring a bunch of rifles and ammo and have a blast laughing at each other when we miss HA HA.if you get a scout let me know what you think of it.
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Post by Larry Jordan on Apr 27, 2014 5:28:13 GMT
CW, the area is Quemado, NM. Pinyon pine, cactus and rattlesnakes. it's a very kind offer. And I seldom turn down an opportunity to shoot. But, I don't often make it back to PA. I can't say I've ever been. Been all around it though back when travel was a significant part of my job duties: New York, Virginia, Maryland and DC. Snuck in Ohio a few decades earlier to visit relations in Cincinnati suburb. If you are ever in Phoenix area, look me up. We have two public ranges that are very active: Ben Avery north of Phoenix, and Rio Salado Sportsman's Club, of which I am a member, in the east valley. The public range at Rio has steel out to 200 and 300 yards which is always fun to beat on with a military pattern bolt action with iron sights. Addendum I have read that hunters in PA, because of the heavy cover and subsequent close distances, opt for either shot guns or rifles with no or low powered optics with intermediate power cartridges (30-30, 7.62x39). Our open country and pinyon forested rims beg for cartridge/rifle combos capable of longer distances. A fellow at church (Faithful Word Baptist) last season took a larger deer at approx 350 yards with his 30-06. It all depends where in the State one hunts. Some of the Prescott area is heavily forested. But down in Phoenix it's pretty flat. The Quemado locale is a pleasing mix of expansive valleys and mountain sides. Here is the KD Range prospect at 600 yards with a natural backstop. In the middle of the denuded spot on the hillside (to the right) we positioned a steel gong at approximately 850 yards. If you did poorly you got gong painting duty:
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Post by crazywolf on Apr 27, 2014 22:08:58 GMT
in some parts of Pa such as near philly it is shogun and muzzle loader and bow only.most of the guys I know are using remingtons or rugers along with a few others.most scopes are 3X9,2X6 and 2X4.some like the higher power to help pick out game and to see if legal to shoot.main cals are 3030,30-06.308 and 7mm08.handguns are fairy popular to.due to short ranges and heavy cover in some areas.the two main things that limit us to closer shots are cover and that it is very build up with houses so you have to very careful of your shots.even with most hunters being careful a few aren't and acouple of house get hit every year.which gets people in my area screaming for this to be shotgun only to.so larry be glad you still have wide open spaces there getting harder to find all the time
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Post by Larry Jordan on Apr 29, 2014 5:51:42 GMT
Yesterday I got to handle a Ruger Gunsite Scout at Sportmans Warehouse in Mesa, AZ. It is well balanced rifle, mounts quickly and holds well. The heavy barrel just forward the receiver moves the POB forward giving it some presence in spite of the short barrel. The impregnated, laminated wood stock is a great choice for this rifle. I warmed up to it immediately. It came with one 10-round single stack metal magazine which did interfere with where I wanted to place my left forearm when gripping the forearm. I would have like to have tried a 5-round magazine, but only a 10 was available.
I will address Nutnfancy's criticisms.
1. Unlike Nutnfancy I do not find the forearm too short -- I am not as tall as he. I' m 5'11', not 6'4.
2. I also thought the bolt throw was acceptable, not unlike my Mausers (Yugo M48/M48A, Israeli Mauser, Swedish Mauser), which admittedly do have looser bolts. With a scope foreword mounted, in the intermediate eye relief position, the scope does not interfere with the operation of the bolt.
3. Barrel length-- I also would like a 20" tube. Granted it is not an LRPR and does not need to send a pill 1000 yards. I'd like to see more chrono data to gauge the velocity loss due to the shorter barrel.
I think this would be an excellent choice for a Scout. What I do not understand is why anyone would get this rifle and not run the optics in the correct position!? One could spend half the price on a M77.
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Apr 29, 2014 9:26:52 GMT
Other alternatives include 30-06 (Springfield), 270 Remington and 25-06 Remington all from the same parent case.
However I prefer barrels with 20"+
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Apr 29, 2014 13:08:22 GMT
I've been tempted by the Ruger Gunsite Scout for my first bolt action rifle... for the money... is there something else you would suggest? The ubiquitous Remington 700 is always on the list as well.
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Post by crazywolf on Apr 29, 2014 15:13:25 GMT
ok larry if I remember right it is about 200 to 300 FPS you lose with that barrel go to you-tube and look at ruger scout rifle and check out gun talk it's a 4 part but worth watching they have a ruger engineer talking about building the rifle also larry you will like the 300 to 400 prone shots on steel.aussie rabbit depending on where you live you want the shortest barrel you can get.as I said before in the Pa woods shorter is better shots are for the most part fast and at close range.plus the number one thing most rifles in the field do more then anything else is to be carried so ounces equal pounds,pounds equal PAIN.I'm not a kid any more so the less I have to carry the better. sean ruger,remington,winchester and CZ all make good rifles.best thing I can tell you is go to the gun shop handle as many as you can and then go to the range and see if you can fine someone shooting what you want and talk to them.I usually will offer to let anyone shoot my rifle if their well mannered and seem to know what their talking about. to bad we don't all live close what a weekend shoot that would be and a hell of a lot of FUN
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Apr 29, 2014 15:44:06 GMT
Sure would... Last little gathering we had we did some cutting and some shooting at Avery's place in NC, that was bad ass, but we have to do it again, bigger and better. :-)
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Post by crazywolf on Apr 29, 2014 21:08:10 GMT
well had some work to do in the gun room and though you would enjoy a few pic's of my scout.so here she is a ruger gunsite scout.
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Post by slav on May 1, 2014 3:28:22 GMT
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Post by Larry Jordan on May 1, 2014 14:30:55 GMT
An ideal package: 20" barrel (fluted too), 3-9x40mm Leupold Var-XII (don't need turrets), adjustable cheek pad for the ideal cheek weld/eye height. I set my lens covers up the same way to open with the thumbs.
It looks like a Winchester 70 action. Your handiwork on a previously owned short action?
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Post by slav on May 1, 2014 16:52:34 GMT
It's my FN PBR (so, yes, basically an M70). .308 SA. Standard mid-heavy fluted 20" barrel. Vari-X II (I'm not a sniper). The stock is an HS Precision that I glass-bedded myself and added a Karsten's cheek piece. I also modified a bolt-on M700 bolt knob to fit my rifle without having to mutilate the original (basically hogged it out and glass-bedded it).
I love it. I have a pre-64 M70 featherweight in 30-06, so this rifle is the perfect modern heavy counterpart. It is compact and has a hinged floorplate but still holds 5+1. I don't trust detachable mags any more than I have to.
This thing is a tack driver. I've only had the chance to group it out to 300 yards so far but at that distance it will shoot 1/2". And that's with me behind it, so I'm sure it is capable of better.
Couldn't be happier.
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Post by Larry Jordan on May 2, 2014 2:50:59 GMT
1/2" at 300 yards? That's a 1/6 MOA rifle. You want to sell it?
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Post by slav on May 2, 2014 3:08:44 GMT
Correct. One hole at 100 on the good days.
And......not particularly.
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Post by slav on May 2, 2014 3:10:47 GMT
Bear in mind that's with a viper vortex 4-16x50. Not the vx2.
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