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Post by ShooterMike on Apr 5, 2011 17:53:00 GMT
For what it's worth, I find .375 H&H to be much more pleasant than .338 Lapua, or even than a hunting weight 300 Win. Mag. The recoil is more "shove" and less "slap" if that makes sense.
A .458 is always shot from standing unsupported in any reasonable application, other than obtaining initial zero. So it isn't really very punishing. Modern dangerous-game rifles like my Model 70 are so well engineered to mitigate the brutality of heavy recoil that they are really amazing the first time you shoot one. I've let several friends shoot my .458 and my lightweight .30-'06 scout rifle with heavy handloads. Once I showed them how to hold and manipulate the .458, every one of them thought the .30-'06 was just ever so slightly less jolting than the .458. They all comment on how the .458 is nothing like they were expecting.
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Post by GUEST on Apr 5, 2011 18:36:55 GMT
Hecker & Koch model 91 sitting on the latest victim of my Stihl MS 460 Magnum chain saw. Anyone need any tomahawk/knife throwing targets. I have the retrackable stock for this rifle too.
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Post by MrAcheson on Apr 5, 2011 18:55:04 GMT
AutoOrdnance M1 Carbine in .30 Carbine.
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Post by GUEST on Apr 5, 2011 19:29:37 GMT
Mike is the 458win mag your trunk rifle. All you need now is a blue steel 6 1/2in bbl S&W model 29 44mag so you can be Dirty Harry. I don't have a 458Win mag have no reason for one, but I do have a Siamese Mauser bolt action carbine in 45/70 I reload real heavy for. Won't post the loads here, don't want anyone to shoot them out of a lever action or trapdoor. They are real boomers. Like you said they push more than anything. Just don't like shooting them off the bench then they hurt.
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Post by ShooterMike on Apr 5, 2011 19:53:04 GMT
True dat!!! One of the worst shooting-related memories I have was bench work with the .458 getting it sighted in at 100 yards. That was brutal! Does my 4" blued S&W Model 29 count? I know, I know... just not up to the "look" of Dirty Harry.
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Post by ShooterMike on Apr 5, 2011 20:02:04 GMT
Mmmm.... I likes me some M1 carbine. Someday I will own one. Someday. Just haven't gotten around to it yet. But affordable .30 Carbine ammo is becoming more available....... Here's an old pic I took 5-6 years ago. DPMS lower/POF gas piston upper with lots of "grown man Barbie" accessories. Total toy. Aimpoint, Surefire light in Viking Tactics mount, VLTOR stock, GemTech M4-96D suppressor. Just a total toy, though it's gotten loaned out for SWAT and tactical medicine duty on occasion.
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Post by GUEST on Apr 5, 2011 20:45:41 GMT
2 1/2in. too short guess you can be Shorty Dirty Harry. This is the most powerful handgun in the world do you feel lucky punk, well do you. But now you would have to carry a 500S&W mag.
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Post by Larry Jordan on Apr 5, 2011 21:12:22 GMT
I believe it. Were you benched and bagged or standing? Was there a break on the 338Lapua rifle?
In the late 90's I was having Steve Zihn of Shoshone, Wy, make me that 62cal Jaeger Transitional I've posted pix for in the past. I called to check on progress. He was in the middle of test firing a 4-bore black powder single shot he was making for another client. (4-bore == 1750gr/.25 pound round ball projectile). I asked him what the recoil was like and he compared it to a "large Labrador jumping in your lap" == big shove.
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Post by GUEST on Apr 6, 2011 20:09:46 GMT
Springfield Armoury SAR48 (FN FAL) I keep this rifle loaded with AP ammo.
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Post by ShooterMike on Apr 6, 2011 21:29:51 GMT
I love good FALs. Wish I had bought one when the good ones were affordable.
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Post by chuckinohio on Apr 6, 2011 22:54:29 GMT
People are pretty surprised when they shoot my Ruger No.1 in .458 Lott. They expect it to tear their shoulder off, and come away impressed at the recoil impulse, but with their torso intact. It's an older No.1 H tropical that I had rechambered to .458 Lott to up the ante to where it should be. I hit an Elk with it in Gunnison Colorado in 1995 still hunting in the timber. Hit him at 70 yards and he went maybe 20 feet and piled up. Stright on shoulder shot with a 450 Gr. Swift A frame gave him the good news. Broke the on shoulder, scrambled his lungs and what not, and lodged in the off side shoulder joint.
I took a Winchester Safari Express chambered in .375 with me in case I got a long shot in the meadows. The uppity lawyer and dentist crowd with their Weatherbys laughed it up at my expense telling me that there were no Rhinos in Colorado. Their collective tunes changed when I anchored that bull on the second day, and they were still dry. They also refused to believe that a .375 mimiced a 30-06 ballistic curve out to 250 to 300 yards.
I paid a fair ammount of cash to be there, and I figured that if I got a shot I wanted to put the animal on the ground right now, no mucking about.
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Post by Larry Jordan on Apr 7, 2011 2:30:12 GMT
Here are the three cartridges of this discussion: ---- 458 Lott --------- 375 H&H -------- 458 WinMag .458 Lott458 Lott: 500 gr @ 2300 fps 458 WM: 500 gr @ 2140 fps 50 BMG: 647 gr @ 3044 fps
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Post by chuckinohio on Apr 7, 2011 13:55:39 GMT
Hold the dang phone.
I completely glossed over Mikes post about an Elephant cull.
You lucky dog you, actually getting to employ a dangerous game rifle for what it was intended.
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Post by GUEST on Apr 7, 2011 20:02:48 GMT
My little thumper Siamese Mauser 45/70cal 16in barrel express sights. I've been leaving the scope mount bases on it so I won't lose them. Haven't decieded if I want to put another low power scope or a peep sight
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Post by GUEST on Apr 7, 2011 20:15:35 GMT
Here are my old school ARs. First a Colt CAR 15A1, I know it doesn't have the flash of the new rail M4 clones but it will do the job. A Colt Compenition H-BAR, I have put a Chaote buttstock and free floated the barrel, It will do 3/4in groups at 100yds off the bench.
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Post by chuckinohio on Apr 8, 2011 20:26:17 GMT
Is that Hbar a 6601?
I used a 6601 Colt upper on my service rifle competition rifle, and it hummed with 75gr Hornady and 80 gr Sierras.
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Post by Larry Jordan on Apr 8, 2011 21:58:08 GMT
Is this a free-floated upper?
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Post by GUEST on Apr 9, 2011 14:39:33 GMT
Yes it's a 6601the barrel has been floated under the handguards pre service rifle specs.
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Post by chuckinohio on Apr 9, 2011 14:51:19 GMT
Yes, I purchased the free float front end from Model 1 Sales back in the mid 90s. I've got lead in the front end and the butt, and the rig weighs just short of 16 pounds dry. Even though it is a Hbar, sling pressure affected the zero radically in different positions. Once floated and tuned, she was a laser over the irons.
I used to work for Rapid Fire in Troy Ohio, and the owner got the 6601 upper in a trade, and I bought it for a song. The throat on the chamber was a cavern when I gauged it, and allowed me to seat the 80 Gr, Sierras out enough to still have plenty of case capacity. I ran the 75 Gr Hornadys at 200 and 300, and the 80 Gr Sierras at 600. The 80 gr loads look like small cruise missiles with all that projectile hanging out of the front end, versus a 55 Gr load. :lol:
I kept the 75s at an OAL that would work through a magazine for the rapid fire stages, but as I am sure you already know, the 80s are a single round feed proposition.
Edited: If you were asking if the 6601 came from Colt floated, then the answer is no. I floated mine myself.
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Post by Larry Jordan on Apr 9, 2011 18:47:30 GMT
What powders did you find work well with the 75gr and 80gr projectiles?
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