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Post by thatguy on Dec 27, 2010 17:56:24 GMT
While browsing for swords, I noticed two sword from Hanwei that boasted being made from a single piece of steel: the Chinese Qi Jian and the viking Trondheim sword. They both appear to be very good swords, but I hadn't heard of sword being made from a single billet of steel like that untill I saw those two swords. Does anyone else make any sword like that or does Hanwei have the only two single piece swords on the market? And just how do they stand up in comparriasson to other swords? Does their single piece construction give them more strength with regards to their cuts or is it really just an interesting feature that doesn't improve the handling, performance, or durability of the sword?
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Dec 27, 2010 18:58:41 GMT
There's also Hanwei's Shaolin Wootz Sword. Other than that, I don't believe anyone makes a sword from a single piece of steel except those cheap 12$ ninja swords you find in the flea market. As for their single piece construction, don't quote me on this, but I believe it gives them an overall greater structural integrity compared to regular swords, owing to the fact that they don't have a guard, pommel, or hilt to come loose or break; so, yes, I think it does improve the durability of the sword, but that's merely speculation on my part.
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Post by Lunaman on Dec 27, 2010 19:51:59 GMT
Obviously there's an apparent advantage to having no possibility of loosening peens, rattling crosses, failed menuki and the like, but I seriously doubt it would be enough to offset the inherent difficulty in crafting a sword like this in the first place.
How do you forge a sword like this? You can use huge manufacturing equipment with multi-ton forging dies--the way one-piece modern axes are made (and likely the way hanwei makes these swords), or you can use absurd amounts of hand labor to work over one piece of steel when it would be much easier to control and shape separate ones. Neither seems very attractive to me when I romancticize the process of sword-making in my mind.
And how do you properly heat-treat a sword with a tang that abruptly switches from 5 or 6 millimeters in thickness to the better part of an inch or (with the jian) more than two inches thick? Hanwei has enough resources at its disposal to test and manage, but I just wouldn't trust this construction with a smaller company or craftsmen.
There's so many problems to overcome with this construction, it just doesn't seem worth it in the end. I'm not going to be putting my swords through anything where traditional construction isn't more than sufficient, and at least with traditional construction I know exactly how the elements are controlled for quality. This "one-piece" construction seems like it caters to nervous or paranoid customers or those who are chasing after the "ooh, nifty-- Wow!" factor in their purchases.
The Qi Jian is cool-looking, though.
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Post by TomK on Dec 27, 2010 20:02:23 GMT
I would imagine you heat treat it for the thin parts since the hilt doesn't need to be hardened at all to be good. also let's not forget that tacticals are made from one piece of steel: www.christianfletcher.com/Christ ... _Line.html in history very few swords were made this way unless you go all the way back to the bronze age. some of those ancient bronze swords were all one piece but not all of them.
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Post by Lunaman on Dec 27, 2010 20:14:43 GMT
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Dec 27, 2010 20:45:26 GMT
Whats that viking blade Luna?
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Post by RicWilly on Dec 27, 2010 20:50:43 GMT
I sharpened one of those Qi Jians for a fella a while back. As I remember it was a nice enough sword for the type. I remember thinking I'd like a Euro sword made like that. I've wondered if some of Jody Sampson's swords were made like that, one piece with a leather wrap for a grip. I believe that's the afore mentioned Trondheim, Sean.
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Post by Neil G. on Dec 27, 2010 21:05:21 GMT
Sean, I'm not Luna, but I do believe that that is the Hanwei "Trondheim". www.kultofathena.com/product.asp ... king+Sword Not a cheap blade by Hanwei standards, that's for certain.
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Post by SanMarc on Dec 27, 2010 21:08:03 GMT
I have some doubts as to the heat treat on the trondheim, I would think that with real use it would fail at the hilt.....SanMarc.
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Post by TomK on Dec 27, 2010 23:24:19 GMT
actually the tacticals I linked are all one piece with only some para-cord wrapped around them
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Post by Lunaman on Dec 27, 2010 23:41:19 GMT
Yep. The tacticals don't have complex thick guards or pommels, which is why I trust them more than these hanwei offerings. Also, being made by Gus Trim helps.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2010 15:23:52 GMT
That is one gorgeous sword.
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