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Post by ShooterMike on Oct 8, 2010 1:43:42 GMT
Oops. That was my error. The title is what I meant, i.e. "firearm", I just used the word handgun because I was thinking of one. I corrected the OP.
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Post by bloodwraith on Oct 8, 2010 2:09:44 GMT
I would have to say that it is either Steyr AUG (weapon used by the Australian defense force) or the mosin nagant M1891-30 sniper rifle, hard to choose between them as they are from such different eras.
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Post by Earncynn on Oct 8, 2010 2:32:39 GMT
Then I´ll re-post my favorite historical firearm.... The M-1 Garand. A REAL rifle. Very reliable. Effective at short through long ranges. Great sights. A proper rifle for a bayonet. Perfect safety control location. Excellent user-weapon interface. And it just feels like a battle weapon should.
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Post by ineffableone on Oct 8, 2010 8:39:24 GMT
Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up. In that case I would have to go with the old tried and true AK-47. Yes I know many people argue M-16/AR15 vs AK-47 and I am not saying the AK is better or worse. The reason I would say the AK is because it has become a symbol of freedom across the world, though not so much in the US sadly. Freedom fighters, oppressed people, those trying to rise up look to the AK-47 as their weapon of choice. It has even made it onto a Mozambique's flag For the simple reason that this weapon has had such a giant impact upon the world as the one used to overthrow oppression, I just have to pick this one. Sure often the ones who end up in power are as bad or even worse than the ones overthrown. It is the concept of hope the weapon brings to the people that makes me choose it. BTW the M-1 is definitely a great historical weapon.
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Oct 8, 2010 8:49:59 GMT
Uhh... I have always seen the AK-47 as more of a symbol of Terrorism and Oppression... or outright evil. :? Since its now Favorite Firearm... then my beloved Thompson Submachine Gun is back in it, baby!
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Post by ineffableone on Oct 8, 2010 9:16:42 GMT
I do love the good Ol' Tompson, such a cool gun.
The reason you see the AK-47 as terrorism and oppression is your from the USA. Pretty much the rest of the world, a few European countries excluded, see it as a symbol of freedom. Like I mentioned often it does get turned against the same people who where inspired to hope through it, but it has still gained a reputation of the weapon of freedom.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 8, 2010 9:34:21 GMT
In other words, it depends on which side of the coin you're looking at.
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Post by Earncynn on Oct 8, 2010 10:16:41 GMT
Or....which end of the muzzle one finds oneself ??!!!! Seriously The AK47, and it´s many derivatives, have proven to be very effective rifles for massed, mechanized warfare and use by uneducated folk. I once owned a Bulgarian semiauto AK with a forged, not stamped, receiver. A beauty. The cartridge/rifle is fine for the intended use as a reliable close range, massed fire (Read spray and pray) weapon. With proper reloads in a rifle designed with accuracy in mind, a good medium range round. There are variations that, to me anyway, are more acceptable and comparable to the AR-15. The Israeli Galil and the Swedish ¨AK¨ are a couple that come to mind. Along these lines, I think that the SKS Rifle is a dandy too. I´ve owned a number and favored the version(s) with the screw-on barrel. Same cartridge as the AK47, so with the same range/accuracy limitations, but it feels more like a rifle in hand to me. I always thought that a version of the SKS with better sights (I think the AK47/SKS sights suck), a M-1 Garand style safety switch (The issue SKS safety also sucks bigtime), a redesigned stock, retaining the stripper clip reloading system, and chambered in 556 NATO would be a big hit with the American civilian market.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2010 15:39:48 GMT
Yes! Since we've re-defined the parameters of the post, I'd go with the Garand hands down, and second Earncynn's remarks. Reliable, accurate, and made of steel & wood - as Earncynn said, "A REAL rifle". The M14 "fixed" some of it's quirks, the M16/M4 is a fine rifle - within it's limitations, the FAL is great, the AK does what it was designed to do, and does so superbly, but there is just no other M1 Garand. A serious student of history, and one with credentials to make such a statement, General George Patton proclaimed the M1 "The greatest battle implement ever devised".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2010 20:57:18 GMT
Well I hope this qualifies, it isn't very historic but I like many many different firearms, rifles especially, there are many I would put in my favorites list but the next gun I plan to buy and at this point my favorite is a very special AR-15. I like the upgradeability and the huge assortment of accesories available for them but they pose two big concerns in my mind. 1- dropping power and 2- reliability. The rifle/s I'm most interested in are the saber defence chambered in 6.5 Grendel. I love the 6.5 grendel round because it has more close up dropping power than a 5.56 but can still be used out to 1000yds (actually past 800yds actually has more ft/lbs than a 7.62 nato). The reliabilty of the gas system used is always been a concern with the M-16AR-15 rifles and the best solution is to go to a gas piston system like thoes used on so many H&Ks. several companies are now produceing AR-15 styled rifles that operate on the piston driven recoil system. However the rifle system I am looking at does not offer the piston system in the rifle I want yet. My way of helping the reliability issue would be to do a full Milltec-1 treatment and hope this significantly reduces jamming and other issues known to plague the ARs. Below is a link to the perticular model I'm lookin at buying. www.sabredefence.com/products.ph ... s/comp-dlx Now this is a bit different cause it has never been and will never be standard issue any where to any army but I like the fact that I could use this one rifle for close shooting aswell as mid to long range. All that would be needed to be changed would be the optics. O and for a side arm I would go with my Kimber 1911 in .45ACP O and worth mentioning the cheytac M-200 intervention. Many people know of it because of modern warfare 2 but It deserves alot more credit than that gives it, here is the Future weapons video link ... eytac_techThis thing is nutz, I mean nothing else even comes close.
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Post by ineffableone on Oct 8, 2010 23:11:35 GMT
Hahahaha :lol: Yes that improves any gun in my book!
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Post by ineffableone on Oct 8, 2010 23:15:43 GMT
BTW Sean, if given the choice of M-16, AK-47, or Thompson to own and I could only pick one. I would always pick the Thompson with out a second thought.
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Post by Earncynn on Oct 8, 2010 23:25:57 GMT
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 8, 2010 23:32:19 GMT
Wow... I had to reread that cover a few times 'cause it looked like it said 'fearless merc saves damsel from castanistas.'
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Post by Ceebs on Oct 10, 2010 1:52:37 GMT
The NZDF also use the Steyr (many of them made by your fellow countrymen ) but I'd say my choice would be between that and the Baker Rifle made famous by Bernard Cornwell's Sharpe series. It gave British skirmishers that extra edge over their French counterparts. And then we have Rifleman Plunkett who was believed to have killed a French general at 800 yards.
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Post by bloodwraith on Oct 10, 2010 14:39:57 GMT
I enjoy a laugh as much as the next bloke, but seriously we need to be careful with our innuendo as this is a family forum and may also colour how others view us. I know it is all meant in fun but we don't want to accidentally offend anyone.
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Post by Magus on Oct 12, 2010 6:51:16 GMT
My favorite Firearm is the good Ol' Lee-Enfield .303 No.1 Mk. III (pictured here) A good friend of mine had a bayonet for that Rifle for a long time, and I must admit, the first time i saw it, I fell in love with it ! *It's the one on the bottom* This rifle is known for a lot of things, mainly for being in active use since 1907 (used as a sniper rifle during WW2) And for being the rifle that killed the Red Baron during WW1 ! It's because of that rifle that I love the Bolt-action system More recently, that same friend who had the bayonet now has a complete set, a matching serial number Lee-Enfield and bayonet ^^ ...admit it, that bayonet does look nice no ? (BTW it's on my blade buying list, luckily, i live next door to one of the best specialized gunsmith and historical riferarms dealer in my region, he even had a few matchlock rifles from the 1850's ) Magus
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Post by ShooterMike on Oct 12, 2010 21:06:47 GMT
So..... after thinking about this for quite a while, I can't think of a single favorite. But I've narrowed it down to several, in no particular order. But if I HAD to pick one favorite, it might be the Thompson Submachine Gun.
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Post by TodaPower on Oct 13, 2010 0:52:31 GMT
Favorite historical firearm is hands down the Gatling gun, I do also like the BAR as well. That reminds me a Gatling style gun I saw on 37mm.com ... a Gatling grenade launcher. Although anything full auto is up there, and did enjoy shooting an internally suppressed Grease gun used by the British paratroopers.
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Post by chuckinohio on Oct 13, 2010 1:01:31 GMT
Sturmgewehr 44- commonly referred to as the Stg-44 WW2 German designs are still copied today.
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