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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2010 5:28:58 GMT
Ummm,at the risk of looking like a smartass I have to make a side note to all this and say that "katana" actually means "sword".Any ol'sword,ex. the rapier is a "katana" to the japanese... The real term is nihon-to or nihonto, not to the japanese only but to everyone that practices or adresses it genuinely.It means japanese sword and is what people keep blabbering about.And while I got your attention...it is pronounced NA-GI-NA-TA not NA-JI-NA-TA,it's a g sound.
Thank you...deep bow backing off gently...with my hand down my pants!!!!
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Post by randomnobody on Jan 22, 2010 5:37:36 GMT
This would be like saying "shamshir" is simply "sword" in another language. Sort of like saying "it's not a seax/sax, that just means 'knife'" or something.
Yes, we all know, though perhaps "katana" in this case is a bit more specific, since the general term for "sword," to my awareness, is "ken." -to is also a suffix that indicates a sword or sword-like weapon.
To say that "nihonto" is the only proper word is a bit of folly, though I see where you're coming from. After all, Hanwei, Dynasty Forge, Kensei, etc. do not make nihonto...they make katana. Sort of. "Japanese-styled swords."
Also, I'm not sure where you've heard "najinata" but "it's a g sound" doesn't help clarify much, griped George.
Anywho...watch where you're putting that hand, you have no idea where it's been.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2010 6:33:59 GMT
Sparky, a water scythe is a robotic set up similar to an industrial plasma torch. at 1599 psi it can cut 1/4 in steel almost as fast. water is a powerful force when put in motion. look at grand canyon.... or new orleans. a hydroblaster can cut lexan at 15k to 18 k psi. but that is the same stuff bullet proof glass is made from and it'll stop your 9mm from 5 ft away. peoblem with it as a weapon... stand were while i roll out the hoses!!! LOL.
yeah i know i sidetracked the thread.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2010 6:37:18 GMT
katana is not overhyped.infact alot of its mystical properties are yet to be discovered.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2010 7:42:26 GMT
I agree with eruialsul. And about glass swords - The Elder Scrolls. Well, the glass sword isnĀ“t an uber weapon in elder scroll series...in ultima it was. Oh and checked D&D...and they do have glass swords that gets the benefit of mithril and adamantium...so I guess D&D does have it too...damn. Yes yes once again geekdom.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2010 7:56:12 GMT
I don't think its a matter of the katana being overrated....as much as people being undereducated. A weapon is only a weapon if you know how to use it....anything less and your just swinging metal
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2010 15:58:29 GMT
The two smiths in the legend are Masamune, the good guy, and Muramasa, the bad. I think those are the correct spellings at least, anyway it is from Muramasa that the legends about drawing blood before the sword can be re sheathed comes from. That is what I've read anyway.
The katana is over hyped but not by those that are knowledgeable about swords, usually, the problem does come from the blade ignorant that got all their info from TV and movies. I prefer the kat myself because it suits me more, I like how the design aids in the cut and it's a pretty weapon. That's not to say I dislike western designs, I would love a basket hilted broadsword but haven't found one I like and can afford yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2010 16:06:36 GMT
This would be like saying "shamshir" is simply "sword" in another language. Sort of like saying "it's not a seax/sax, that just means 'knife'" or something. Yes, we all know, though perhaps "katana" in this case is a bit more specific, since the general term for "sword," to my awareness, is "ken." -to is also a suffix that indicates a sword or sword-like weapon. To say that "nihonto" is the only proper word is a bit of folly, though I see where you're coming from. After all, Hanwei, Dynasty Forge, Kensei, etc. do not make nihonto...they make katana. Sort of. "Japanese-styled swords." Also, I'm not sure where you've heard "najinata" but "it's a g sound" doesn't help clarify much, griped George. Anywho...watch where you're putting that hand, you have no idea where it's been. True...true...ken can also mean sword,any kind of. I heard najinata several times but also in the video at the beggining of the thread. ...it's been in my pants!!Sorry that's in bad taste...I'll work on it!
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Post by randomnobody on Jan 22, 2010 16:19:27 GMT
Oh yeah, he did say naj didn't he? Silly man. Katana, ken, tachi, uchigatana, nodachi, odachi, and others I've forgotten all pretty much just mean "sword" but each most do tend to refer to specific styles...the joys of language. Remind me to not shake your hand until it's thoroughly washed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2010 16:48:45 GMT
Oh yeah, he did say naj didn't he? Silly man. Katana, ken, tachi, uchigatana, nodachi, odachi, and others I've forgotten all pretty much just mean "sword" but each most do tend to refer to specific styles...the joys of language. Remind me to not shake your hand until it's thoroughly washed. Yes,yes they do.For ex. the o or dai always indicate greatness where as ko or sometimes chisai or chisa (in greek it means pee so I crack up every time) indicate small size. You can shake the left one...that was the last one I swear!No more semprini jokes!
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Post by randomnobody on Jan 22, 2010 18:44:14 GMT
We have far too much fun around here for our own goods.
Like just now, my computer messed up and the t key didn't take. So I arrow key back over and it glitches again while I release the cursor and press the t key, dropping the t on the end of far. I laughed quite a bit and debated leaving it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2010 21:12:09 GMT
lmao ;D Knowing a person obsessed with katana, agreed.
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Post by YlliwCir on Jan 22, 2010 21:27:50 GMT
Ummm,at the risk of looking like a smartass I have to make a side note to all this and say that "katana" actually means "sword".Any ol'sword,ex. the rapier is a "katana" to the japanese... The real term is nihon-to or nihonto, not to the japanese only but to everyone that practices or adresses it genuinely.It means japanese sword and is what people keep blabbering about.And while I got your attention...it is pronounced NA-GI-NA-TA not NA-JI-NA-TA,it's a g sound. Thank you...deep bow backing off gently...with my hand down my pants!!!! This would be like saying "shamshir" is simply "sword" in another language. Sort of like saying "it's not a seax/sax, that just means 'knife'" or something. Yes, we all know, though perhaps "katana" in this case is a bit more specific, since the general term for "sword," to my awareness, is "ken." -to is also a suffix that indicates a sword or sword-like weapon. To say that "nihonto" is the only proper word is a bit of folly, though I see where you're coming from. After all, Hanwei, Dynasty Forge, Kensei, etc. do not make nihonto...they make katana. Sort of. "Japanese-styled swords." Also, I'm not sure where you've heard "najinata" but "it's a g sound" doesn't help clarify much, griped George. Anywho...watch where you're putting that hand, you have no idea where it's been. I'm hoping for some spare time so I can do some cutting with my new H/T katana, ken.......? ;D That opening another tab thing works too, Random. Thanks. Karma for you also.
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Post by randomnobody on Jan 22, 2010 21:32:54 GMT
I prefer to keep my internets combined to the same window. So Rick, how are those Roman wakizashi treating you? ;D
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Post by YlliwCir on Jan 22, 2010 21:35:27 GMT
Ya know, till you said that I didn't understand why someone would want a wakizashi. Damn enlighting day so far.
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Post by randomnobody on Jan 22, 2010 21:37:34 GMT
Ya know, till you said that I didn't understand why someone would want a wakizashi. Damn enlighting day so far. ?
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Post by YlliwCir on Jan 22, 2010 21:39:04 GMT
Ya know, till you said that I didn't understand why someone would want a wakizashi. Damn enlighting day so far. ? Ya, I know. ;D
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Post by Jeff K. ( Jak) on Jan 22, 2010 23:08:30 GMT
I get the impression he's talkign about very early medieval swords when talking about the pommels, and from his other videos it seems that his area of knowledge is more along the lines of Greek and Roman equipment anyway. What? Blah! He SAID the vast majority of pommels were made of light materials and not until the VERY LATE medieval period did they have heavy pommels and then goes on to demonstrate a fencing foil, and how you only have heavy pommels on a sword NOT meant for cutting. What about all the cutting oriented swords from say 500 AD on through 1500 AD? I agree that he probably knows more about ancient blades like spathas and gladii but the vast majority? Dead wrong.
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Post by sparky on Jan 22, 2010 23:36:38 GMT
Sparky, a water scythe is a robotic set up similar to an industrial plasma torch. at 1599 psi it can cut 1/4 in steel almost as fast. water is a powerful force when put in motion. look at grand canyon.... or new orleans. a hydroblaster can cut lexan at 15k to 18 k psi. but that is the same stuff bullet proof glass is made from and it'll stop your 9mm from 5 ft away. peoblem with it as a weapon... stand were while i roll out the hoses!!! LOL. yeah i know i sidetracked the thread. Duh You know I should have know that. Isn't that how some sword manufacturers cut out their sword shapes? ;D It's funny but this reminded me of a trip my family went on when I was just a lad. My step dad loved trains so we would go a look at them. Anyway there was this old steam engine that had been sitting in the same spot for years and any time it rained it would collect the water. That water would then drip from the same spot day after day after day............ Over time this dripping water drilled a perfect 1/2" hole through the rail. The evolution of a thread
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2010 1:05:05 GMT
This would be like saying "shamshir" is simply "sword" in another language. Sort of like saying "it's not a seax/sax, that just means 'knife'" or something. Yes, we all know, though perhaps "katana" in this case is a bit more specific, since the general term for "sword," to my awareness, is "ken." -to is also a suffix that indicates a sword or sword-like weapon. To say that "nihonto" is the only proper word is a bit of folly, though I see where you're coming from. After all, Hanwei, Dynasty Forge, Kensei, etc. do not make nihonto...they make katana. Sort of. "Japanese-styled swords." Also, I'm not sure where you've heard "najinata" but "it's a g sound" doesn't help clarify much, griped George. Anywho...watch where you're putting that hand, you have no idea where it's been. for the record, I never gripped or mentioned anything for that matter anyway, back to the subject. I posted that vid some time ago, with the same q. personally, I do agree that there has been a lot of hype, especially from hollywood about the katana, which is, after all, another sword in the arsenal of good sword that exist. it has its strengths and weaknesses. It would not be my weapon of choice, but that is from my own style of fighting... idk, just my 0.02
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