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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2009 4:19:21 GMT
Hello all i'm new here,but not new to edged weapons.But I am indeed new to swords.
To get to the point...i'm looking for a real..lol,"battle ready" sword.....I was think of a arming sword or a long sword.
I dont know where to start and I don't want to buy crap but I don't want to sell my leg either!
Could someone help me out???
Thanks.
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Post by YlliwCir on Nov 9, 2009 4:29:43 GMT
With the criteria expressed, I'd suggest one of the VA Practicals.
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Post by sicheah on Nov 9, 2009 4:31:38 GMT
Welcome to the forum deicide, First of all ask yourself: how much are you willing to spend? below $300, above $1000? For starters, you could look into Valiant Armory Atrim practical arming sword, or Valiant Armory Atrim practical long sword. They are between $200 and $300. Edit: Ric beat me to it
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2009 4:39:44 GMT
I do understand that the price point can jump quite a bit,"I own some high end knives that were quite pricey" I would say that $300.00 +S&H for a first will be my ceiling. But I want my moneys worth? Any more info for me?? Thanks. (edit) I'm German so i'd like to go with something revolving around that...if possible.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2009 4:42:08 GMT
What do you want the sword for? Decoration? training? back yard cutting? Abuse? stage combat?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2009 4:46:40 GMT
Well for shure not to sit and collect dust. Something I can cut with,practice with.
Hope that helps a little.
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Post by sicheah on Nov 9, 2009 4:53:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2009 4:57:29 GMT
Well if your serious about learning WMA, then the hanwei tinker longsword/bastard sword/EMSH would all be good choices as they have blunt versions that handle the same as the sharps. If you wanna be cheap, you can get the sharp and a replacement blunt blade and swap fittings...the main downside is the edges on these besides the EMSH is pretty dismal. Also the wood core is pretty crap...as is the leather used...but the blade really does make up for all these short comings and if you are willing to put in a bit of effort on your part, you can end up with a very good sword.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2009 4:59:54 GMT
I also wanted to add that I have heard good things from buying from the SBG store,so I was thinking from making my buy from here.
Is this good /bad
I know little,but what I do know is that I want it to be sharp,good steel,"1095,T-10 " and well done.
Thanks.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Nov 9, 2009 5:04:43 GMT
hey welcome to our little place godslayer we're glad to have you. ok well it depends on what you are looking for and what you consider a reasonable amount of money to spend. I assume that since you are here you will be mostly looking for swords in the sub $300 range. arming sword or longsword is a good place to start, I can't answer that for you but I can show you the best we have right now for the $$ first up the Valiant Armory Practical Arming sword (AT303): here's a link to the SBG store which is a good place to buy it and has good stats on it. here's a review I did on the first generation 303 the new ones have MUCH better leather work and are a lot lighter and have basically taken a really good sword and made it even better but my review is fun: sbg-sword-store.sword-buyers-guide.com/VA-arming-sword.html here's a review of the new generation by BIlliam, please forgive Bill for not being too enthusiastic about it, he's a longsword guy at heart but he's got pictures of it up and it's good to see the new ones advantages: better leather and gripwork than anything else in our price range (this aplies to the VA lonsword too), comes sharp and ready to use right out of the box no work needed on your part. if you buy it from Sonny Suttles at www.ValiantArmoury.com you can get it customized for cheap or free depending on how much you want done but there are lots of options, great sword great balance great cutting ability absolutely "combat ready" drawbacks: ummmmmmmm not much really, I'm not a big fan of the very narrow fuller kinda makes the sword not fit right into historical typology but not a big enough deal that if you took one back in history people would say "that fuller ain't right!" mostly they'd love it. the pommel does have a reccessed nut that holds it in place and some people hate that but it is plenty strong, nothing to worry about. Valiant Armory practical Longsword (AT 304) is the same thing for all pros and cons and the 303 but it is a longsword not an arming sword. VAliant Armory is making some wonderful swords in our price range right now. just make sure you stay away from their "standard" line as that is the old stuff from before Sonny took over and made the company great. next up Hanwei Tinker swords. there's a lot of variety in them and they are really good swords here's what we got: ARming swords: Early Medieval Single Handed Sword (EMSHS) - has a great blade, best shaped blade in out price range bar none, even better than Valiant Armory. but the grip is only ok not astounding like VA's and the cross guard and pommel are pretty good and held on by the same sort of reccessed nut tat VAliant uses. again some people hate them I thought I would until I saw one now I don't mind at all. swords don't HAVE to be peened to be good. here's my review of just the blade (I custom mounted it): /index.cgi?board=swordreviews&action=display&thread=12194 Norman sword - a heavy hitting single handed sword with a brazil-nut pommel. if you like early england / norman invasion time frames this is a good one for you. I haven't held on of these but I hear about the same things as with the EMSHS other than the blade on this one not being quite as awesome but it is a VERY good design, some say they need a little sharpening. here's a quick review of it: /index.cgi?board=swordreviews&action=display&thread=11826&page=1#192705 viking another single handed sword by the Tinker/Hanwei team basically teh same thing as the Norman but with a viking theme. if you like vikings you could do much worse than this and only little better. no review I know of sorry if you cannot decide between a long sword and an arming sword there's always a bastard sword and Hanwei/Tinker have a pretty good one here's my review of it: /index.cgi?board=swordreviews&action=display&thread=12316&page=1 Hanwei Tinker Longsword is another great sword. the first batch needed serious edge sharpening but the new ones are much better still not as good at the VA swords for edge but they'll get the job done. and if you want to spend a little more here's a good page to look at for stuff that costs just a LITTLE more than our price range here but has great stuff added to it making for wonderful value swords: www.valiant-armoury.com/signature.phpok that was a lot of stuf I hope I didn't miss anything but I know I must have. the SHORT VERSION: VAliant Armoury is making the best bang-for-your-buck swords on the market right now, they are well designed, reasonably priced, customizeable for little to no extra cost and ready to cut with right out of the box, it really is hard to beat these swords even by spending twice the money. Hanwei Tinker swords are giving Valiant a good chase for their top spot. somethings on the Hanwei Tinker swords are not as god as the Valiant stuff but some things are better it's all about what you want. either way, were I looking for my first medieval sword I would be looking at something from one of these two. so wat DO you want?
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Nov 9, 2009 5:09:20 GMT
SBG store is a great place to buy, as is Wiwingtiswordsupply, kultofathena, etc.
and all of the swords we are talking about are made from good steel. but I have to say it again: it is less about the steel than the smith get something made by a good smith and don't worry about the steel. for info sakes: VA = 1060 Hanwei / Tinker = 5160
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2009 5:27:55 GMT
Thanks for the GREAT info that cleared things up a bit I will be looking really hard at VAliant Armoury.
I'm shure that i'll have more qustions to come.
Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2009 5:48:51 GMT
But be careful when you buy your first sword else you'll end up like me and fall in love with it and wouldn't want anything else. ;D
I can vouch for the VA Practical Longsword (304s) and I have been wanting to try out the VA Arming Sword as well, but funds are tight. I bought mine from ArmsofValor.com and Jason was fantastic to deal with.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2009 14:17:35 GMT
If you want a German style sword, Hanwei Tinker Great sword of war is the one for you. That kind of swords were called Grand espees de Alemaigne, or the great swords of Germany in the 13th and 14th century, so you can't miss. It is quite a big sword, one that would be used two handed on foot, but one handed if you were mounted. www.kultofathena.com/product~item~SH2424~name~Hanwei+Tinker+Great+Sword+of+War.htm
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Nov 9, 2009 15:42:16 GMT
I don't know about using that GSOW one handed she sure looks too big for that even from horse-back. I would think that the GSOW would be ok at german longsword work but I see it more on the end of armored fighting and not unarmored dualing like the OP is interested in. however the Hanwei Tinker Long sword has bee called the best there is in our price range for german style fencing, and some even say it is better than many swords considerably more expensive. here's a review of the blunt which is relevant to us since it handles the same as the sharp. www.fioredeiliberi.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=191565&sid=b8d56434433780ef73e1eecbc01e32d9and of course Mike's great review of the H/T sharp longsword. this is the original which needed more work on the edges than the new one but I understand that the new one doesn't have a great edge but is at least decent. /index.cgi?action=display&board=swordreviews&thread=7420&page=1 I intended to include these reviews in my other post but missed them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2009 16:37:36 GMT
I don't know about using that GSOW one handed she sure looks too big for that even from horse-back. I would think that the GSOW would be ok at german longsword work but I see it more on the end of armored fighting and not unarmored dualing like the OP is interested in. however the Hanwei Tinker Long sword has bee called the best there is in our price range for german style fencing, and some even say it is better than many swords considerably more expensive. here's a review of the blunt which is relevant to us since it handles the same as the sharp. www.fioredeiliberi.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=191565&sid=b8d56434433780ef73e1eecbc01e32d9and of course Mike's great review of the H/T sharp longsword. this is the original which needed more work on the edges than the new one but I understand that the new one doesn't have a great edge but is at least decent. /index.cgi?action=display&board=swordreviews&thread=7420&page=1 I intended to include these reviews in my other post but missed them. I didn't realize he's going to practice German longsword. GSoW is definitely not an ideal sword for that.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Nov 9, 2009 16:59:29 GMT
I believe he specifically mentions in the OP that he wants a sword for historical unarmored fencing and that he likes the German schools so that's the direction I went.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2009 16:44:34 GMT
A thought: Have you considered a blunt? Now I know a blunt doesn't allow you to do cutting exercise (you can still cut some veggies though ), but they allow you do do drills a *lot* more safely. Even more so if you are going to do a drill with someone else - like a "I do this attack, and you block it" kinda stuff. With a blunt, you get the proper feel of steel on steel contact, but "oopsies" won't be nearly as dangerous! I started with one, and I strongly recommend it. All the swords that Tom K mentioned have blunt versions, so his excellent advice still stands Ancalagon
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2009 18:59:08 GMT
Ok so i'm thinking of VAliant Armoury as my first but I thought I heard someone say that I could have some custome stuff done to it for free or little money???
Is this true and am I making a good choice???
Can anyone help!!
Thanks.
Also could someone provide a link to VA web page if thats where I need to go for some custom stuff.
Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2009 5:22:00 GMT
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