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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2009 21:04:45 GMT
Since zombies have already discussed, let just pretend you are fighting just other guys who have like primative weapons. Sorta like all the internal combustion and exploding weapons no longer function properly. AAahhhhhhhh my nightly wet dream .............
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2009 21:12:16 GMT
Since zombies have already discussed, let just pretend you are fighting just other guys who have like primative weapons. Sorta like all the internal combustion and exploding weapons no longer function properly. Someone's been reading Dies the Fire
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2009 21:27:28 GMT
Never read it, but have heard about it on another forum. I need to add that to my reading list. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2009 21:57:51 GMT
Yeah me neither, a must read me thinks, who wrote it
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2009 22:23:50 GMT
Never read it, but have heard about it on another forum. I need to add that to my reading list. ;D ahhhh. Yup, that whole 'no combustion' thing is the main premise of the books. A pretty good read though! Brissybeater - S.M. Stirling is the guy who wrote the series
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 0:30:17 GMT
I highly recommend that series. S.M Stirling puts a lot of thought into his writing. I don't always agree with what he comes up with, but it is always a good read! And the result of the failure of science as we know it does not turn out to be as much fun as I would have hoped So going by the premise of those books I would go with a one hander, type XII most likely or maybe a lighter XVIII, and a shield. (Of course I'm not trained in that, but then I'm not trained in anything really, so....). But I figure that not many, if any, people will be heavily armored for the first several months so a one hander will suffice. And the shield is great for hiding behind. And judging by the accounts of people on these boards with fighting experience, like Tsafa and Tom K, sword and shield has many advantages over other weapons.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 1:04:44 GMT
Basket hilted sinclair sabre and targe as my choice
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 3:38:28 GMT
Never read it, but have heard about it on another forum. I need to add that to my reading list. ;D ahhhh. Yup, that whole 'no combustion' thing is the main premise of the books. A pretty good read though! Brissybeater - S.M. Stirling is the guy who wrote the series "No combustion?" Going to be kind of hard to forge anything or even cook if combustion stopped working. Hell, staying warm would be tough. We'd be right back to the Stone Age in a real hurry.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 3:52:46 GMT
"No combustion?" Going to be kind of hard to forge anything or even cook if combustion stopped working. Hell, staying warm would be tough. We'd be right back to the Stone Age in a real hurry. There is combustion. It is just...limited. Some rules of physics and chemistry changed. Some didn't. Why? I don't know yet. I've only gotten through the 4th book so far.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 4:20:15 GMT
"No combustion?" Going to be kind of hard to forge anything or even cook if combustion stopped working. Hell, staying warm would be tough. We'd be right back to the Stone Age in a real hurry. There is combustion. It is just...limited. Some rules of physics and chemistry changed. Some didn't. Why? I don't know yet. I've only gotten through the 4th book so far. I think it's best not to delve too deep into a scientific explanation for this, Taran. It may cause you to spontaneously combust
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 20:08:46 GMT
Angus Trim Tactical sword or something like that... Wait, I can't have that, it says ancient weapons so I'll take the longswords. I'm pretty handy with a recurve bow but only a bow... if the guy comes close, you're dead.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 21:22:15 GMT
I would be most comfortable with a longsword. I can use bow but with bow you are dead if your opponent is well armored or if there is no fortifications or defenses between you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2009 3:23:43 GMT
Cutlasses with good thick basket guards--chop, hack, slice dice and brass knuckles all in one, add a good pommel spike and they're a weapon from every direction.
Not sure if they'd fit into the shortsword or single-hander category, though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2009 3:42:09 GMT
Longer (32-34) inch hafted warhammer with a top and back spike. Speed and lethality in a nice compact package. Add that to a shield, dynamite.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2009 5:10:08 GMT
I would be most comfortable with a longsword. I can use bow but with bow you are dead if your opponent is well armored or if there is no fortifications or defenses between you. With a bow, you could work your way up to heavier pulls. 150Lbs will pierce plate at 30 yards or so. Longer if you can get that perfect, perpendicular impact. And against someone who is heavily armoured, you could just stay away from them until they either give up or tire. Course, that assumes you have decent stamina...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2009 8:16:38 GMT
I would be most comfortable with a longsword. I can use bow but with bow you are dead if your opponent is well armored or if there is no fortifications or defenses between you. With a bow, you could work your way up to heavier pulls. 150Lbs will pierce plate at 30 yards or so. Longer if you can get that perfect, perpendicular impact. And against someone who is heavily armoured, you could just stay away from them until they either give up or tire. Course, that assumes you have decent stamina... It also assumes you could pull 150Lbs. Something I'm not sure we could all do. I'm pretty sure I can't.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2009 8:46:14 GMT
With a bow, you could work your way up to heavier pulls. 150Lbs will pierce plate at 30 yards or so. Longer if you can get that perfect, perpendicular impact. And against someone who is heavily armoured, you could just stay away from them until they either give up or tire. Course, that assumes you have decent stamina... It also assumes you could pull 150Lbs. Something I'm not sure we could all do. I'm pretty sure I can't. i have had a go with a 120# war bow and got it to my chin witha lot ( i mean a real lot ) of effort 3 times in a row and could not come close on the 4th. now i'm not a little fellow, been a concretor for 25 years weigh in at 95/100 kg and im pretty fit. i dont think that i would even think of trying a 150#. well i would just once
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2009 9:20:03 GMT
I hope to get a 100 pound warbow early next year (using a 90 pounder at the moment). It's not a question of strength really. It's more about technique.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2009 11:02:16 GMT
I would be most comfortable with a longsword. I can use bow but with bow you are dead if your opponent is well armored or if there is no fortifications or defenses between you. With a bow, you could work your way up to heavier pulls. 150Lbs will pierce plate at 30 yards or so. Longer if you can get that perfect, perpendicular impact. And against someone who is heavily armoured, you could just stay away from them until they either give up or tire. Course, that assumes you have decent stamina... Even 150lb won't pierce armor enough to instantly stop or kill your opponent. 150lb might pierce quite thick flat plate, but armor plates are all curved and ridged, arrows can't make a good 90 degrees hit to pierce them. Plus your target is moving. Plus padding and thick medieval clothing behind the plates... Check arrow vs plate discussions on myarmoury. They are very heated but they mostly conclude that very very few kills on battlefields where longbow was deployed like Agincourt were achieved with arrows piercing the armor. Arrows are for killing horses, stopping the mounted charge and then maybe wounding or just hinder knights but most kills are from hand to hand fight with man at arms. Even archers fought hand to hand when the lines met. French and English lines wouldn't even met if longbow could kill men in armor. Too few would survive walking through mud after their horses were killed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2009 19:19:19 GMT
Tell you what, Luka, you put on some of that plate, and I'll grab my measly 100# bow, and we'll start with you at 20 yards (it's only 100#, after all). And we'll see at what range I kill you.
French and English lines Didn't meet when the longbows were allowed to fire on the knights. Such as at Agincourt. That one, single battle should be enough to dispell a lot of the BS in that series of arguments. The bow, like any number of other weapons, was not Allowed to be used directly against the knights because it was "improper." "Unchivalrous."
Like the flanged mace, restrictions on the use of the Longbow and later, the crossbow, were put into place to protect the lives of the knights, the nobles. At least the flanged mace was almost solely used by other knights. But the longbow and the crossbow were used by commoners. And Commoners killing KNIGHTS?! Well, we can't have that.
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