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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2009 0:29:29 GMT
well Ive decided im gunna buy it blunt because I actually needed a blunted sword for a movie im making soon and then afterwards im gunna learn to sharpen... itll be fun...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2009 0:41:19 GMT
Good choice! Keep us posted about it and let me know what you think. Every opinion on a sword that we hear is another one to help the rest of us decide if we want it.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Sept 23, 2009 3:47:59 GMT
that's a heavy sword. remember that just because it's blunt doesn't mean it can't kill. for reference see my recent video where I cut some milk jugs with the blunt part of my EMSHS blade, also notice how dull the H/T bastard sword is on my first video. see me rubbing it up and down my hand? I was actualy putting some pressure on it.
but all the same, sounds like you've made a good choice I hope you love it. let us know how you like it.
Uriah and Will, I want to see good detailed reviews of the H/T Norman and EMSHS swords please. those are hot swords right now we cannot have too many reviews of them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2009 6:51:41 GMT
well Ive decided im gunna buy it blunt because I actually needed a blunted sword for a movie im making soon and then afterwards im gunna learn to sharpen... itll be fun... If your gonna use it as a prop, please be very careful as the tip is sharp and the blade very stiff. Also a 1mm edge is not so good for a prop sword...their old 2mm edge was better for that. In fact the 1mm edge bugs me as it´s too blunt to be a sharp blade and too sharp to be a blunt blade.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2009 9:31:02 GMT
Save your money. I like DSA for what they offer, but to be honest, the DSA sharpening puts a really steep secondary bevel on the blade which is a bear to blend and it does not cut worth a flip.
A couple files and a set of diamond hones will serve you much better in the end.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2009 12:10:12 GMT
well Ive decided im gunna buy it blunt because I actually needed a blunted sword for a movie im making soon and then afterwards im gunna learn to sharpen... itll be fun... If your gonna use it as a prop, please be very careful as the tip is sharp and the blade very stiff. Also a 1mm edge is not so good for a prop sword...their old 2mm edge was better for that. In fact the 1mm edge bugs me as it´s too blunt to be a sharp blade and too sharp to be a blunt blade. When we use it in said movie we will not be treating it as a dull sword all the sequences using swords will be practised and even acted out/filmed with us feigning slow motion and then sped up later its not a very stylish way of doing things but Its a hell of a lot safer also I may be talking to the man in my town about some aluminum swords anyways
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Sept 23, 2009 14:21:07 GMT
what I think you should do is get some aluminum ones that look a lot like the DSA and use the DSA for close-up shots and the aluminum for the action. much safer and still looks good I would think
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2009 16:19:47 GMT
That's a good idea Tom, maybe get the sword maker to make replicas of the Black Knight that look OK from a distance. Really all it would need is a curved guard and hex pommel and then just spray paint it semi flat black and you are good to go.
To Tom yeah that's my plan I just have to find a camera, also I am picking up the Black Knight and Tinker longsword and I do reviews on those. Speaking of the tinker longsword what does everyone think of getting the pommel from the DSA Gothic and using that on the Tinker longsword?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2009 16:42:54 GMT
I think that sounds pretty rad--the standard pommel is one of the only things that keeps me from selling all my textbooks and buying one. It's quite functional, but very...blah looking.
That blade is gorgeous, it deserves some hilt furniture to set it off properly.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Sept 23, 2009 16:54:59 GMT
hmmm I can't remember for sure but I think the pommel on the Gothic is pretty freaking big isn't it? and I hear the H/T longsword is pretty light and fast. to me this sounds like a bad combination. try it if you like, it might work but I wouldn't make any permanent changes until you have tested it out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2009 17:08:09 GMT
Good call, Tom. I hadn't thought about the actual size of that pommel. If you got a sculpted fish pommel in that shape that still maintained the balance the same way, that would be pretty awesome setup. But literally swapping on the DSA version probably wouldn't be ideal.
That seems like it would be a sharp-looking setup if you could get it to work.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2009 17:18:36 GMT
Well I believe they make them when you order them so I could weight the pommel on the longsword and get them to make one of a similar weight. The only reason why their fittings are big is to counter balance their thick sword blades.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2009 17:29:33 GMT
I just ordered two black knights today JOY ! 325 CAD total RIDICULOUS CHEAP cant wait sharpening them will suck
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2009 17:34:41 GMT
Two!?! Awesome!! Sharpen one and keep one blunt? Or, you know, .... why two exactly?
Double the awesome, tho!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2009 17:39:05 GMT
well My friend wanted one too and I also wanna try dual wielding but also I just kinda really wanted to say I ordered two and actually mean it
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2009 18:25:21 GMT
Sweet. And to Will, Well I believe they make them when you order them so I could weight the pommel on the longsword and get them to make one of a similar weight. The only reason why their fittings are big is to counter balance their thick sword blades. A pommel does certainly counter-balance a large blade when held static in the hand, but when the sword is swung and is in motion, it does some other fancy things, too. It's not necessarily there to balance out the blade and make it feel lighter--the static feel isn't directly correlated with the rotational inertia. Big bladed sabers can be fast and effective, but they do just fine without a pommel. On a straight bladed sword, the extra mass in the pommel makes the sword hit significantly harder in terms of impact energy near the tip while sacrificing very little maneuverability. Sweet. But if you have a pommel that's too large, it will move the blades natural forward pivot point (impact point) past the length of the blade, so EVERY cut made would cause a good deal of hand shock to the user, and you would never be able to hit with the full potential of your sword's mass. So your sword would be heavier, without being any more effective. Not so sweet. I'm referencing the ideas presented in this article, originally posted by doctorxring: www.thearma.org/spotlight/GTA/motions_and_impacts.htmThe guy argues that the pommel is mostly present on historical swords to control the rotational behavior, not to "balance" the blade. He knows an awful lot about practical physics; it's an interesting read.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2009 19:50:19 GMT
Don't use the DSA pommel for the longsword. I made a wheel pommel for my Tinker Hanwei blade and it really is pretty lightweight. About 300g. The guard is lighter than the production one so I think the weight of the original pommel is about 250g. There is a basic rule about how heavy a pommel should be. It's one third of the blade's weight. About my pommel and guard I have to say it's PERFECT. The blade feels so good in hand it's not even funny. I can't wait to cut with it. Still need to peen the whole thing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2009 20:42:44 GMT
I wouldnt wanna put DSA fittings on anything that isnt DSA its like taking the engine from a transport and putting it in a beetle completely off balance... though now i really wanna put that transport engine on a beetle
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2009 21:50:16 GMT
I was thinking that hairu but the Gothic fish tail is soooo much nicer. Thanks Lunaman that's some good info there that I didn't know that's why this place is so awsome. Sorry if I wasn't clear before but I meant I was going to get DSA to make a custom version of their Gothic fish tale pommel that is the same weight and a similar size to the Tinker longsword pommel. Just a heads up you can get pommels off of them for $35 or so dollars.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2009 22:44:37 GMT
custom pommels ? and that custom idea makes waaaaay more sense I loathe the Tinker longsword pomel its litterally the reason i didnt get the sword the EMSHS has some pretty nice (plain) but nice looking fittings I cant wait to see how it handles
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