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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2009 15:46:48 GMT
Ggrrr...i don't want chinese How much would a Fable or BKS cost?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2009 15:58:31 GMT
Ggrrr...i don't want chinese How much would a Fable or BKS cost? And this brings me to my second point, I would urge everyone who voted so far to go with the higher price point, with a cap of at most 450$ and you will get a sword beyond what you would expect as far as quality goes, as it would bring into play makers like BKS and others.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2009 16:04:28 GMT
Great point and that's what I voted for. I think it's important to realize the quality to be had here. For the extra $$ there will be no hit and miss, just quality through out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2009 17:14:43 GMT
For me it will all be in the design. If I like it I'm willing to pay up to 450 (maybe even more lol).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2009 17:55:53 GMT
That would be a no from me, the handle is too short.
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Post by shadowhowler on Sept 10, 2009 18:30:23 GMT
That would be a no from me, the handle is too short. Hmm... This brings up a good point for me as well. How did you settle on the grip length, Brenno? If I were to put in my 2 cents on it, I would want at least an 8 inch grip myself. The 7 inch grip on my VA Pratical Long Sword is really tight... I hear the Hanwei/Tinker Bastard sword has somewhere in the 8-9 inch range, which sounds very interesting to me. I'm not saying length would be a deal breaker for me on this... but would be nice to get one that fits better. If BKS were doing it, I'm sure they could handle that sort of legth no problem... the prototype SBG Fantasy Hand and a Half Sword they already did looked to me like it was at least 8 inchs long. If VA were doing it, well, I can't say for sure if they could do longer... because I am not sure what sort of blade they would be using... but they base most of the new blades of Atrim examples, and many of his swords have grips 8 - 9 inchs long. Also, how did you settle on blade length as well? If I can get a sense of that info... it would help. I'm voting for up to 450 in price range... my personal prefrence would be to have the boys at BKS do it. They did the first SBG Fantasy sword, and I think that sword was pure awesome... I would love to see them do it or one like it for this project. Matt mentioned while that one sword at that time sold for 300, doing the same sword now would have to cost more, closer to 450, so its a perfect fit! I'd like to get Matt to chime in here with his thoughts. If Matt can not or does not want to do it... then Sonny and Valiant Armoury are also a very good idea. They have the resources to make something very cool happen. It just feels to me like the project would be more... I dunno... meaningfull... knowing a fellow SBG forums members hands had forged, temepered, wraped... touched the sword at every stage of its creation you know? Plus... did I mention how awesome that first SBG Fantasy Sword was??!? In case you have forgoten what I'm talking about, or for our newer members.... here it is: /index.cgi?action=display&board=swordreviews&thread=6612&page=1 I want THAT, or something very close to it, for this project. This project started out LONG ago with thoughts on this sword and BKS and somewhere along the way it fizzled, and I for one still want THAT sword very badly. Hey Matt, pipe in here will ya?
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Post by kidcasanova on Sept 10, 2009 18:41:16 GMT
Yeah, the proportions aren't right for me to throw my lot in on this one. Blade is too short for my liking with a grip that large.
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Post by enkidu on Sept 10, 2009 19:09:14 GMT
Yep, but something based on that would still be great, we can discuss further about proportions later, but we know a bastard is right, and an 8 inches grip is better. I would like to know BKS stand on this too. Thanks Bren for re-starting this up !
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Post by Eaglehawk on Sept 10, 2009 19:10:00 GMT
I've changed my vote to $450 to accommodate the possibly. But I have to be honest, if it looks like the last one, I will pass. I personally don't like it.
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Post by enkidu on Sept 10, 2009 19:46:24 GMT
Yep, but something based on that would still be great, we can discuss further about proportions later, but we know a bastard is right, and an 8 inches grip is better. I would like to know BKS stand on this too. Thanks Bren for re-starting this up !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2009 19:47:05 GMT
I personally have no problem with the $450 cap but I do think less people will be interested at that price. My vote for $350 was what I think will get us the most responses. If we can get enough interest (~30 people) at $450 I would go with it. I would love to have the work done by BKS...if they would still want to... I would like to see submissions by several people and see what we get. Maybe Bren can come up with a design and BKS can make it (for example). Maybe to simplify it just have designs submitted in whichever form the designer want (one vs hand and a half, straight vs curved, etc) and then we can all vote on a single design, maybe with minor changes. But really, I think we are going to have a very difficult, if not impossible, time coming to a single decision. Too many different preferences in this small group to find anything everyone will like. Now let's prove me wrong
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2009 20:03:08 GMT
. I voted for the $450 level to keep quality up as high as possible. For a one-off sword I'm not interested in a mediocre offering that the market is full of. I would expect something more along the lines of the Valiant Armoury Signature Collection in quality at minimum. When the design is fully realized and I like it, I will commit. It would be fun to own an SBG forum collaboration sword ! I've seen some impressive folk on this forum. I'm sure you guys can come up with something sweet in respect to design your squire, dxr Are we talking about something like this sword ? I found this on BKS site -- .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2009 20:51:01 GMT
My ideal sword is 27"-29" blade and 9-11" grip. Brenno made me one 27"-11.5" and it handles better than a kat. That is saying a lot and I'm definitely sticking to it. Another thing to consider is I want to be able to walk around with it on my side at at faires and not tote it on my back.
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Post by Dave(utilityslave) on Sept 10, 2009 21:08:03 GMT
I personally have a warm place in my heart for BKS! If Matt and Kerry were to make this sword for us I would be elated. I know the quality would be top notch for the price point and the experience with the Stagmer Brothers would be excellent for this community. My own experience with them leads me to believe that they will work with us to get the most out of a design at a given cost point and even give extra effort for this community. I believe that working with the Stagmer's would be a win/win situation for this community and BKS who are also members of this community. If this means having to pay a little more than $350 to $450 then I am all in. They can make anything we come up with and they have excellent tastes in sword designs themselves. Much like Brenno but a lot closer for most of us. This would be a great opportunity for many members of this community to own their first BKS blade at an outstanding price and perhaps the feeling of community that fell short for many in the previous attempt at a SBG community project can be realized with this one.
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Post by Sonny Suttles on Sept 10, 2009 21:15:30 GMT
Chinese can get more bang for the buck, .... At the cost of other critical elements though. If I were to be buying one of the swords (theoretically), I would want a few design changes in Valiant's chinese forges' construction methods, As well as an outline of they're practices. Maybe you would like to review our accounting procedures as well ;D ;D ;D Actually, after reviewing this thread and the original alittle more. I think that BKS is the best way to go for this project like this. When I was pointed here I misunderstood what the project was about. I had visions of an agreed upon blade, pommel, guard with the ability to customize the handle and or scabbard to fit each persons individual desires. I thought our Custom Sword Shoppe was suited to that end. After better understanding though I respectfully withdraw Valiant Armoury from consideration. In the future we would love to do an SBG special project sword. I just don't think that this particular project is something suited for us right now.
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Post by teclis22 on Sept 10, 2009 22:21:58 GMT
Oh it seems this is moving forward.
I voted for the higher price point with 450 USD if BKSor a similar smith makes it. Would it be offshored i would not be willing to go over the 350 as that is more in the style of this forum.
The hand and a half is awesome, but - having followed the original thread pretty close - where do the measurement numbers come from ? Personally i would love to see it in a larger form.
the pic above on this page from BKs looks alread pretty good. If that one of the gernal options at this price point ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2009 23:34:32 GMT
I can't promise that I will buy it, but I know that if I do decide to buy another sword soon (which is a probability) I will be willing to save up $450. I know that this price might be more expensive than the set SBG price, but I believe in quality over quantity (in this application I would rather pay more for a good sword than pay less for an average sword).
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Sept 11, 2009 0:39:40 GMT
Cool. It looks like we are going to be needing BKS to keep this together.
I'd invite Matt to provide boundaries by which the sword is to be designed. Can someone try to get in touch with him?
The boundaries I provided in the initial thread are a result of:
a) A vote already showed that over 3 times the number of voters wanted a Bastard sword than any other type.
b) Long costs more. Bottom line. There is more metal to remove. And higher chances of warpage and trouble in heat treat. When I made Teclis his 53" longsword I spent about 5 hours normalising it over and over til it wanted to stay straight enough for me to work with. Y'all want a bigger sword for cheaper and thats not how this works. The measurements I provided are a compromise; and if this is to work y'all are going to have to compromise.
c) Someone has to rein you guys in. There has already been 27 pages of people saying "Why can it be a Cutlass, Backsword, Schiavona, X sword of the month for me."
IF you want this to go anywhere at all there has to be a boundary, and the vote has already shown that a bastard is what will fly. And if you want a bastard at that price it's not gonna be a 48 incher - let me tell you from a makers viewpoint. Yes meatpaws people I'm sure you can get another 12mm on the grip. In the end we need Matt to provide dimensions by which this sword can be made to your budget. I'm not even gonna buy one of these, and I'm not gonna be involved in making them. It was just driving me nuts watching you guys go round in circles suggesting the design could be whatever the next oddball sword on your shopping list is.
With the compromised outline I provided in the OP we already have 20 'yes' votes in under 12 hours. Lets just rein ourselves in. Humour those dimensions. And start some designs. Matt will have the final say.
Actually see that BKS above. Notice the Hexagonal blade profile. That is much cheaper than a diamond blade profile with distal taper. That may be one of the compromised guidelines Matt provides to meet the price point. That guard is pretty though.
Otherwise lets watch another 27 pages of I want 'X'...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2009 1:13:11 GMT
Way to cut through the crap Bren. You are so spot on.
I love you man. Errrr...in a manly man sort of way that is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2009 1:41:25 GMT
Brenno is right on...
That is the problem with any kind of project where everyone contributes their own ideas, clearly compromises need to be made but at the same time everyone wants 'what they want' out of it...
20+ people showing interest in such little time is a great indicator of potential, but it means absolutely nothing if all 20 people are pulling in different directions. And all too often, if the finished design doesn't incorporate certain peoples ideas they will refuse to buy it out of pride.
Its mighty big of Brendan to voluntarily take on the role of organizer/adviser because there are few better qualified to make executive decisions on behalf of the group.
Bottom line, if Brendan says "this is the way to go" that is good enough for me.
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