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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2009 6:12:10 GMT
Hi
I'm a recent convert of the Sword collecting fraternity and have a request.
I would like your top three recommendations for a cutter sword. Bottles, mats, etc.
Double edged blades only. Medieval,Viking, etc. Inside of $300.
Thanks! Chris
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2009 8:54:13 GMT
Humm just factory edge only or after some touch up?
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Post by YlliwCir on Sept 3, 2009 10:09:02 GMT
Under $300, right from the factory: KC Teutonic, VA Practical Longsword, VA Practical arming sword. It was close.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2009 10:17:08 GMT
No Lakonian???
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2009 14:23:28 GMT
I'd go with the AT304S (VA Practical Longsword), AT303S (Practical Arming sword) and Hanwei/Tinker EMSHS (singlehand/arming sword). Rick's right, tough call there.
The Lakonian is more of a stabber than cutter- with such a short blade (19") you gotta put some muscle into it to get the velocity up to where you can slice targets. It'll stab the hell outta anything though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2009 14:57:50 GMT
Thanks guys !
This is the kind of input I was hoping for. I'll start looking into these today. If anyone else has favorites, please add them in.
Chris
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2009 15:03:59 GMT
Well, what about the Hanwei Tinker great sword of war? I think you can order it already and if it's like the other Tinker Hanwei stuff it will be VERY good. If they got the edge right, of course. Oh, from what I heard the EMSHS is far better than the VA practical arming sword. Better temper, blade design,... ask Tom K. he got one and loves it. He got a VA too and can compare them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2009 20:37:00 GMT
Indeed...here's his video.
EMSHS is Early Medieval Short-handed Sword, by the way, right?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2009 21:08:51 GMT
Yes.
Edit: No, it's SINGLE-handed sword. The rest's right.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2009 21:16:36 GMT
Not disputing which sword is better but keep in mind Tom is comparing the EMSHS to the 1st generation 303s. There is apparently a big difference in the 2nd generation. And not to say anything against Tom's opinion, because his opinion means a lot to me, but his is only one point of view. So a blanket statement at this point at to which is "better" is just not right. When several more people get the EMSHS and are happy with the edge I will start to have more faith is Hanwei. There are many people on this forum that have the VAs (2nd generation) and most of them are very happy with them. And when many more people have both the VAs and the Hanweis can we begin to say which ones are better.
Opinions, personal preference and all that must be taken in context.
Anyway! Back to the original topic! My favorite 3 cutters, double edged, under $300 in no particular order: VA 303s Windlass Type XIV err...I only have these two that fit this category the rest are single edged or over $300.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2009 21:24:00 GMT
You're right about the second generation VA practicals. BUT The heat treat Hanwei puts on their blades seems to be better than VA's on the practicals. And while the other stuff like design, etc. might be better on the second generation this is still a big plus to Hanwei.
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Post by YlliwCir on Sept 3, 2009 21:50:06 GMT
The Lakonian is a very, very good cutter. However being a Windlass, it had to sharpened so was not up for consideration in this context according to my understanding of the question. Have a look. That's with a MRL sharpening service edge (yes, secondary bevel, so what LOL). Those bastards took my music. Imagine Heavy, Heavy Fuel by Dire Straits.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2009 21:52:31 GMT
cheness
How do we know the heat treat is better on the Hanwei?
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Post by kidcasanova on Sept 3, 2009 22:12:56 GMT
Well, what about the Hanwei Tinker great sword of war? I think you can order it already and if it's like the other Tinker Hanwei stuff it will be VERY good. If they got the edge right, of course. Oh, from what I heard the EMSHS is far better than the VA practical arming sword. Better temper, blade design,... ask Tom K. he got one and loves it. He got a VA too and can compare them. The GSoW is sure to be a devastating cutter. And if he PM's Tom now and orders it quickly, the edge wont be an issue.
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Post by shadowhowler on Sept 3, 2009 22:44:35 GMT
cheness How do we know the heat treat is better on the Hanwei? I Agree. I have been hearing a couple people say that recently, but I have not heard anyone say WHY thy think that... or if they even have both swords to make the comparasion. Also... I'll agree that the edge on Tom's EMSHS seems to be pretty damn good right out of the box... thats ONE SWORD. I have personaly had over 10 Hanwei swords that were not katana come to me with CRAP edges... and I have heard over and over again from many others who have had the same problem. Tom's single sharp sword does not erase all of that. Also, Tom's sword is only sharp about 1/3 of the way... kinda sharp another 1/3 the way... and thick and dull the last 1/3. My VA 303S is sharp the whole way. I think we need to see a lot more evidence of edge improvement before I will trust any Hanwei sword to be sharp out of the box if its not a katana. Also, I would like to hear from some people who have handled both the new Valaint Armoury swords and the Hanwei Tinker line swords as to WHY they think the H/T is better on the Tinker swords... not just some people repeating something they read somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2009 0:12:40 GMT
from what I'm continually see around here, the V-A stuffs looks impressive. Of what I personally own, double edge, believe it or not, my Windlass Verneuil is pretty sweet. I've handled several if the Tinker wares (even got to work out with the proto-type blunts for a while), at first they seemed pretty good, but after time something just didn't feel right......it's just me I'm sure....I'm a odd lot any way.
cheers
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2009 9:21:18 GMT
Well tinker´s EMSHS also came with a good edge according to him...and the one I saw had a good factory edge as well. However NONE of the other tinker line hanwei models I have seen had a good edge (note that I have not seen the norman or GSOW yet). So it looks like for some off reason the edge of the the EMSHS was done right...and they continued as normal after that.
As for the HT question, better flex, better resilience, better edge retention... and I´ll ask the blacksmith for a better way to explain it the next time I see him. Not to say the difference is big...in fact it´s pretty hard to even notice...but I feel that the HT on the hanwei tinker line is better. Also the difference between the two lines is small enough where I don´t feel comfortable using that as the the sole basis for a sword choice. If having a crappy core for the scabbard or handle is a big issue for you, the VA is better. If you can´t sharpen a sword, then VA is also a better bet.
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Post by shadowhowler on Sept 4, 2009 16:04:52 GMT
As for the HT question, better flex, better resilience, better edge retention... and I´ll ask the blacksmith for a better way to explain it the next time I see him. Not to say the difference is big...in fact it´s pretty hard to even notice...but I feel that the HT on the hanwei tinker line is better. Can I ask, what swords from the new Hanwei/Tinker line and what swords from the new VA Practical/Signature line you have handled to make that comparasion? This will help me put the opinion in perspective. Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2009 18:00:24 GMT
I'm not Napalm but I can say I handled the Tinker longsword and the VA practical LS. Both are VERY good swords but like Napalm I feel like the hanwei blade is harder and more resilent. About flex, both flexd pretty well so I can't say anything about that.
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Post by shadowhowler on Sept 4, 2009 18:04:15 GMT
I'm not Napalm but I can say I handled the Tinker longsword and the VA practical LS. Both are VERY good swords but like Napalm I feel like the hanwei blade is harder and more resilent. About flex, both flexd pretty well so I can't say anything about that. See, thats useful info... its direct and it tells me what your basing the comparasion on. Can I ask... you say you felt the Hanwei blade is harder and more resilent... what makes you think so? Did you cut with both and the VA took damage while the Hanwei did not? What gives you the impression the Hanwei is 'harder and more resilent'?
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