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Post by kidcasanova on Aug 4, 2009 3:43:43 GMT
I prefer the hex nut for maintenance, but peening is pretty close to tied with it.
As for the edge, Tinker said that the production piece he was sent had a fantastic factory edge on it. He's been on Hanwei's butt about making sure this line is done right. It's his name on it if they bugger it to hell, you know?
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Post by hotspur on Aug 4, 2009 4:17:05 GMT
Yeah, like if you spar or cut with your sword weekly, wouldn't you want to be able to inspect the tang before every session to detect any signs of fatigue early? And when it finally did, wouldn't you want to be able to just call for part number XXX to renew it, rather than send it off to a swordmaker for refitting of a new blade... et.al... I would say no, don't do that. You can run it up the Tinker/Blake flagpole and even to Gus and Christian but I would advise any with this assembly to treat it as a tighten if you need to (the shoulders will setttle into the cross pretty quickly). Once gently to look if you have to and as many times as you think you really need to customize it but not after every sparring or cutting use. Both halves of the threaded fixture do wear out. What do I know? Two Trims quite used 2001 and 2003 respectively. The production swords are no stronger, I can pretty much assure that. Some have owned two blades (blunt and sharp) for the purpose of easy changing but even then with the swords direct from Gus or Tink, don't make it a regular and often practiced procedure. That goes with katana as well but some refuse to believe that. You simply do not need to break down swords as often as is often practiced. Wear is wear. I going to use a more extreme analogy but many engine manufaturers will advise replace hardware, not reusing it. There is a reason for that and we're not going to be looking at 10mm grade ten hardware. It's going to be five to siz mm fasteners that are somewhat softer. It is not a firearm to clean every use, or food equipment that is continually apart and together. Just say no. I really do wish Gus and Tink would send through care and feeding for these, especially with the smaller threads coming through in the full production lines. Lundemo uses 5/16" threads, Gus 1/4". torque? Well, we have seen the results here and on other forums time and again. Thread lock if you are worried about it but mine have not needed it to stay tight once settled. Cheers Hotspur; have at it if you want to but it does not do the assembly any favors in redoing it time and time again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2009 7:31:35 GMT
Hex nuts are better than peened blades, yeah, i know historical blah blah, but seriously, if a 13th century smith had figured this out in his time he would have rock the place. No, he wouldn't have rocked the planet. For the fighting man, a peened hilt construction is better because he can't retighten a sword during battle. For us modern sword fans, a take down construction is nice but not necessary. I still prefer peened, but today it really doesn't matter if you have a peened hilt or a hex nut hilt as long as both are done correctly.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Aug 4, 2009 8:08:46 GMT
HS - valid points, especially for those with a tendancy to overtighten, or otherwise careless.
CF - last sentence is the key. Cheers
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2009 13:55:03 GMT
Yeah, like if you spar or cut with your sword weekly, wouldn't you want to be able to inspect the tang before every session to detect any signs of fatigue early? And when it finally did, wouldn't you want to be able to just call for part number XXX to renew it, rather than send it off to a swordmaker for refitting of a new blade... et.al... It's all about different interests. To me historical accuracy is first. I'm a collector more than user. I cut just occasionally, not weekly, sometimes not even monthly. Of course when I do cut, I want good performance so I need both historical accuracy and performance. And that is hard to find in my price range. I bought Hanwei Tinker Viking recently and the edge is quite bad. P.S. And I have a great smith for rehilting peened swords just a few kilometers from me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2009 14:07:38 GMT
I think I'm gonna cry... They were supposed to be peened but now I see they are with hex nuts... Nooooo!!! They were never supposed to be peaned to my recollection. This was discussed over at mA in the original thread; they want the blades to be replaceable. M. I'm not 100% sure but I think this one and the Viking were supposed to be peened because these earlier type swords are not that often used for sparring and in wma, more for collectors and reenactors who want historical accuracy. I have the Viking and it sure is peened.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2009 14:11:11 GMT
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Post by shadowhowler on Aug 4, 2009 19:17:59 GMT
Indeed... I remember reading that... So, they will not be peened after all then, but have the hex nut assembly?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2009 21:28:40 GMT
If this sword was peened, I would be hard pressed to get it over the VAs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2009 22:16:13 GMT
I think its the Norman that is gonna be peened which I'm gonna be getting once available (I promised I would get the Tinker Viking and I did and havent looked back on it).
I do love the peening on the Viking, while I suppose its not a two piece pommel of super historical accuracy (which would of been a pain in the ass for smiths) it does have a good peen, solid as and great overall and is well sharp, OKAY maybe not the best bottle cutter but the edge would be well within a good historical parameter and that I appreciate.
So yeah my moneys on the Norman when it comes out. And although the VA's have signature belts and scabbards and what not I'm looking forward to customising my Vikings grip (its not like anything needs to be dissassembled for customisation/maintenence). And the price cant be beat.
Yeah peen or hex nut both are great (its the dreaded threaded pommel I think manufacturers should move away from). But seen as though the peen grabs my historical proverbials more then if it has the peen it more likely has my money.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2009 22:20:53 GMT
4 pounds sounds a bit heavy, otherwise it looks alright.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2009 0:13:45 GMT
Indeed... I remember reading that... So, they will not be peened after all then, but have the hex nut assembly? It seems.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2009 3:54:06 GMT
4 pounds isnt ssssoooooo bad when your getting into a blade this size with a handle at 11 inch's, just think how much authority this blade is gonna have. You hear people talk that sometimes a heavy blade give off a very "real" feeling, while not in the strictest sense historically real, and yeah a blade can get "overbuilt" its that feeling that gets conveyed with the blades presense and your mechanical connection to it that can lead to some very purposefull usage. Long story 4 pounds is a heavy blade but it is a great sword, big brutal cutter of a war-sword and not the nimble longsword of fightbooks .
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Post by shadowhowler on Aug 5, 2009 4:23:34 GMT
I'm not worried by the weight... its a BIG sword. My Gen 2 Chaos sword wieghs 4lbs, but has so much handle it feels great in hand dispite the weight. I expect a Great Sword to have some heft to it... I just want Hanwei to get the edge right on this one!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2009 2:23:22 GMT
Hopefully they do, or at least as close as possible so touching up the edge with sandpaper is kept to a minimum. I dont mind if its just the last two thirds thats sharp just want it plenty sharp
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Post by kidcasanova on Aug 8, 2009 3:57:59 GMT
Ah, Hanwei lists the sword as in stock now. I am quite gleeful.
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Post by shadowhowler on Aug 8, 2009 4:21:34 GMT
Ah, Hanwei lists the sword as in stock now. I am quite gleeful. I am not gleeful until I hear that they finally got a decent edge on this puppy... then I am happy.
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Post by kidcasanova on Aug 8, 2009 4:34:48 GMT
True, but I'm sure you could just send it to Tom, eh? Richard's price over at SwordNation is really appealing, 260 for the GSoW. I'll likely buy from him when I scrape together the money.
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Post by shadowhowler on Aug 8, 2009 4:40:09 GMT
True, but I'm sure you could just send it to Tom, eh? Richard's price over at SwordNation is really appealing, 260 for the GSoW. I'll likely buy from him when I scrape together the money. Agreed. I'm 95% sure at some point I'll pick up this sword... and most likely from Richard. However the edge question will determine how SOON I get it... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2009 6:55:58 GMT
Come on that can be done by you and a little commited time ......... the blade will kick ass and then some
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