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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2009 22:34:40 GMT
lol Yeah I know whole beginning part is a totally imaginary way to make a sword. Have read enough to understand how steel is made but the begining just looks so cool! Great movie and yep I put it on last night ;D
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Post by Avery on Jun 27, 2009 22:47:41 GMT
I just stumbled onto this thread, man you do some awesome work Banzi! How long will it take you to sculpt from start to finish? I'm not very knowledgable about sculpting, never had the knack. Seems like it would be very time consuming. Your attention to detail is staggering. Oh yeah, if you do go back in time to find the right kinda snow for the quench, please bring back a sample, modern science will greatly benefit from it!
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Post by kidcasanova on Jun 28, 2009 0:42:55 GMT
I think I remember him (or Brendan) mention that the sculpting on the Father's sword took somewhere around 80 hours.
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Post by Avery on Jun 28, 2009 15:54:20 GMT
I think I remember him (or Brendan) mention that the sculpting on the Father's sword took somewhere around 80 hours. Man, 80 hours! I think it'd be neat to try sculpting, but after 80 hours I don't think I could come away with a decent ashtray.
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Post by brotherbanzai on Jun 28, 2009 16:41:46 GMT
Ha, I can hear that in James Earl Jones' voice. Hey LPBoyle, a sword dynamics sub-forum would definitely be cool. I wonder if we have people on the forum knowledgeable in that area. If we don't have some, it could be more of a sword guessing-game/random theory page. stonehart, I agree Thanks Avery ;D As kidcasanova said, it can be very time consuming. It really depends on the piece though. For this pommel I kept making adjustments- this part is too high, now this part is too low, now the whole thing is wider at the top. So some areas were sculpted again and again until I got it where I wanted it. That being said, here is the finished wax sculpture after around 25-30 hours. Next a rubber mold will be made of this part so I can make some more. This original wax won't be cast in bronze, only the ones from the mold. The ones from the mold will be more consistent in their wax composition than the sculpted one. Also there is a tiny amount of shrink that occurs at each molding stage (from the original to the wax cast and from the wax cast to the bronze cast), so the original would end up ever so slightly larger than any waxes from the mold. Here are some more pictures of the finished wax original.
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Post by shadowhowler on Jun 28, 2009 17:04:28 GMT
I have a sword loving cyber erection. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2009 19:24:06 GMT
I have a sword loving cyber erection. ;D Eeeeewwwwww!!!!!!! Too much information!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2009 19:40:42 GMT
Alright, now that I've recovered from Shadow's post-- I'd love the opportunity to buy a bronze or steel casting of that pommel.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2009 21:21:38 GMT
Hey LPBoyle, a sword dynamics sub-forum would definitely be cool. I wonder if we have people on the forum knowledgeable in that area. If we don't have some, it could be more of a sword guessing-game/random theory page. Actually, between some of the manufacturers and smiths like Tinker, Brenno, Sam Salvati, et al and some of the vendors like Sonny of VA and Marc from Wiwingti and, of course, several of the mods and senior forumites - I really think we have the knowledge here. It's just to get it all together in one place. However, I have a feeling in a forum dedicated to sword dynamics 90% of the post would rate stickies or devolve into SFIesque arguments. Not that SFI, will humble themselves enough to allow me in, but that's a different rant. Anyway, as for the weight forward vs weight back design it is interesting to note that the weight forward design is used almost exclusively for single edged weapons, whereas anything with a double edge uses a weight back design it almost seems that the variation is one of necessity. Handling aside, I would love to see a historic example of a weight forward double edged sword. But really let's get a thread going on the general theory of sword dynamics. I do understand where the Euro guys are coming from since the Jian has a lot of longsword characteristics, but I would love to hear what some of the jSA guys have to say about the physics of sword use.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Jun 29, 2009 1:19:51 GMT
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Post by shadowhowler on Jun 29, 2009 1:44:33 GMT
Pogo, BB only works in bronze. And why buy the casting of the pommel when you can buy the whole sword!? Well, because acording to what Brother posted, there may be some issues with selling the whole sword... ...which saddens me greatly, let me tell you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2009 2:33:36 GMT
How sick is that pommel hey friends! Wait til you see the guard. Pogo, BB only works in bronze. And why buy the casting of the pommel when you can buy the whole sword!? As the man once said, "A man's got to know his limitations." In this case, as brilliant as the sword will be my wallet can only be made to stretch so far.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Jun 29, 2009 14:41:52 GMT
Pogo, BB only works in bronze. And why buy the casting of the pommel when you can buy the whole sword!? Well, because acording to what Brother posted, there may be some issues with selling the whole sword... ...which saddens me greatly, let me tell you. Yeah true. Oh well, you can come to my house and play with mine.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Jun 29, 2009 14:42:26 GMT
Yup it's always a slow process. Even when I make a sword for myself like Anduril it takes a month or so, as I usually make three at a time. I think he's planning on making his version a longer sword which should be pretty nice if he goes with that plan. The blank pictured above will be similar to the sword from the second movie which has a 1 inch longer tang and 1 inch longer blade than the sword from the first movie. Brenno is also making a blade for me which will more closely replicate the sword length from the first movie. Which means I'll have one of each. Sweeeeet! My sword will be longer. I think the movie one just looks a little squat. The Barbarian measurements are: Overall length: 38 7/8 inches Blade length: 28 1/8 inches Grip length: 5.35 inches The Destroyer is 1" longer in the blade and 1" in the grip. For mine I will be looking at around: Overall length: 47 inches Blade length: 34 inches Grip length: 7.5 inches I very likely will not be fullering mine, but going for my beloved hex section blade with runes and other engraving down the flat section down the centre of the blade. I think I'll consider antiquing the blade if I can bring myself to uglify it. And go for a Jute grip wrap - very rustic. I can always bring it back to shiny if I want. Just to give me a rough idea of the aesthetic of the new dimensions heres a doctored photo of the Albion Barbarian.
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Post by brotherbanzai on Jun 29, 2009 17:30:07 GMT
Hey Shadowhowler, Thanks! And Eww! Yeah, I'm still trying to find information on whether or not these could be offered for sale. I'm thinking probably not though. Hey pogo, that may be possible, I'll let you know when I find out what I can do without getting myself or anyone else into trouble. Alright LPBoyle, lets get a sword dynamics page going! Though some of those that you mention I rarely see post on this forum outside of their own vendor threads. Thanks Brendan Those are good links, I've read them before. Though I almost always cast in bronze, I can also cast in aluminum, resin, and low melt alloys, but yes no steel. Resin and low melt alloys require a different rubber than I use for the waxes to cast bronze or aluminum. And to do aluminum I need enough stuff to cast in that medium to make it worth the bother so that's quite rare. That long blade looks good, gonna be heaaaaavy.
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Post by brotherbanzai on Jul 2, 2009 16:45:46 GMT
I've sent a message to Universal's licensing department to see if it might be possible to get permission to make a few of these available for sale. I don't really have very high hopes that a big corporation will care to be bothered with my request, but we'll see. Fingers crossed
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2009 23:57:56 GMT
Brotherbanzai: Are you a member of TheRPF prop forum or do you know anyone that is? Legal issues are dealt with all the time with anything to do replica props. I dont want to scare you but it probably wasnt wise to have emailed them directly. Ive seen threads where other members have tried to sell replica batman suites, equiptment etc and have had cease and desists sent to by the licensing holders (Warner I think). The subsequent emails sent to Warner just made the situation worse and the community went a little nuts about it. That's a completely different case mind you and it may not apply to this.
Most of the prop makers and sellers just sell stuff anyway and it flies under the radar. Have a look at the RPF for threads regarding licensing...etc. You don't have to be a member to read posts but you cant search ...etc. Also they only allow ppl to register as users at certain points of the year. But im sure if you email the admin you would definitely be given a membership if you detailed this project.
Its honestly worth a look to ANYONE that makes anything as the scope of knowledge and talent is mind blowing. They would go nuts for this project.
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Post by brotherbanzai on Jul 4, 2009 1:12:11 GMT
Hey mrfat, Yeah I kind of expected that would be a possibility before I sent them an email. I talked it over with a good friend of mine who knows a little about copyright stuff and his suggestion was "just go ahead and sell them, they won't care and if you contact them you'll just put yourself on their radar". However after some discussion, I really felt that it would be better to try and contact them. I haven't heard back so maybe a registered 'cease and desist' letter is already on it's way to me I checked out RPF forum, lots of very cool stuff. I looked through all the post titles on the first 38 prop pages and didn't find anything about licensing. Also didn't see anything on the 7 archived pages. Probably have to be able to search.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2009 4:14:42 GMT
I think is a grey area. I know a lot of them over at the RPF just sell stuff and nothing happens. The are a lot of loopholes too. It cant be sold under the exact name or similar to the item you are replicating. Also cosmetic differences help, although when trying to create a true replica that could be a major drawback. Though some copyright includes "all likenesses" which would be hard to get around. The big companies like Warner and Universal can be semprinis with things like this. Especially when it come to money. They know it goes on but tend to just ignore it outside of ebay. Im just a bit worried that by emailing them you will possibly incur their undivided attention.
Ive personally seen this happen with Lucas Film. A friend of mine "took" a massive display banner from a cinema he worked at. It was after the release of the new starwars film with the first appearance of Vader in his helmet...etc(not sure of the movie name). It was huge, it would have been hung on the outside of the theatre. It just said starwars and had vader on it. Anyway he put it on ebay and the auction was taken down and he was sent various emails by ebay and lucus film ended up having to return the banner and lost his job.
Now I know that its not strictly the same context we are dealing with hear but it just shows that if money is involved and you are public with the sale then problems can arise.
Is the Conan franchise licensed to anyone at the moment? Are their other replicas of this sword that don't have licensing but are mass produced?
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Post by brotherbanzai on Jul 5, 2009 16:47:38 GMT
I've seen various items from the movie licensed over the years and there have always been unlicensed versions around. Marto used to have a licensed version of the Father's sword but they don't seem to have it any more. Oddly, they copied the crappy unlicensed wall-hanger version for their licensed version. I figured it would be best to try and contact Universal since at one time they did license a copy of the Atlantean sword. This one will of course be somewhat different from the movie sword because it is my own interpretation and I'm also trying to get it closer to being a usable sword instead of just a prop. I don't know that that has any bearing on copyright laws though. In any case, we'll see what they say. In the meantime, here are some pictures of the first side of the clay sculpture for the cross. It's done like the pommel was. One half only, then a quick mold to get two waxes out of it to then put together and make a whole. The cross is sculpted around a steel blank of the ricasso and a bit of the tang that Brendan made.
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