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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2008 4:42:37 GMT
I actually dont really care if one sword from one company looks similiar to another sword from someone else. I think Albion charges too much for there swords. They are not hand made like DSA, I am sure some are but the rest are made with modern machinery. The only designs that shouldnt be copied are those that are custom, anything based on a historical piece is open to interpretation. Umm...okay so you think Albion is overprices so it's okay to steal from them?!? Is that it? The research that they do to come up with the designs that they do is EXPENSIVE. To copy that is theft out and out. And note that I do give most of the similar changes for that particular sword a valid reason so I'm not calling foul on that even. However the one he DID admit to knocking off was a custom fantasy sword. So it crosses even your line. And how is it better because it's hand made? A badly made sword is bad no matter how it's made and a well made sword is good no matter how it's made. The execution matter as much if not more then then the method used. Once again since I cook for a living, you can have the best ingredients around and the best way of cooking it known...but if you can't actually do the cooking part, it won't come out good. Conversely, give a world class chef some basic indredients and a frying pan and he can make you one of the best dishes you have had in your life. At the end of the day, steel type, methods used...none of that matters. What matter is if the sword is actually good or not.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2008 4:51:34 GMT
So $150 is a good deal for a fixer upper? Well DSA swords are pretty tough cookies. Which means sharpening them is pretty hard(I personally would steer newbies away from such projects personally). However if you have the patience to tough it out and learn, you'll be able to sharpen anything else lickity split after that . Me, I'm not sharpen another DSA...ever again.
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Post by kidcasanova on Dec 5, 2008 5:09:09 GMT
I am not making assumptions about how Albion makes there swords. I know they use modern machinery because the Discovery Channel did a documentary about medievel weaponry and they showed how Albion makes there swords. If you wanna know how I know it is them even though they werent named, the symbol they etch into the blade is the EXACT same symbol on all Abion swords. It doesnt matter if you make it by hand or a machine does it for you, the fact is I just think there swords are overpriced. Dont need to get angry when someone knocks Albion off there pogo stick. Handmade swords are unique, no two swords are alike. I have nothing against either and if I like the style of an albion sword and I can afford it then sure I will still buy it. You just misunderstood my post and accused me of something I didnt intend. I was not upset in my post at all, and I made sure to explain that I was not bashing or degrading sub-300 manufacturers. If I didn't enjoy the pieces in this price range, I wouldn't be here. Currently none of my pieces are above the 300 threshold (one day....one day...) I'm also not an Albion fanboy as you seem to paint me. Truth be told I'd take an AT1315 over nearly any piece Albion makes. I buy swords because I intend to cut with them. Because of this, I expect the pieces to cut well and perform as a sword should. As of right now, the majority of DSA's pieces do not perform as a sword should (with the notable exception of some of their pieces). They cut, sure. But so does an axe. And I understand that they say they are intended for reenactment use, and that is FINE with me. Especially since it explains them being overbuilt. However, recently they've thinned their edges and begun offering a sharpening service, lending the notion that they wish to participate in the market most of us enjoy (cutting with live blades). Their pieces are, for the most part, unsuitable for this because their handle sluggishly, they are heavy and they do not cut well at the end of the day. However they ARE durable. But in the end, I'm not buying a sword to bang in on a steel bar or a 55 gallon drum. I'm not trying to thrust into concrete and otherwise attempt to destroy the blade. I intend (as many of us do) to use it to improve my technique and to cut bottles and tatami, and occasionally other appropriate mediums. Again, I'm not ragging on Eyal or DSA. I know what they're products are (and I actually like quite a few of their pieces, though I wish Andurill was lighter...) and if I wanted an ultra-durable sword I'd look into buying one of their better-handling swords. I'm just disagreeing with you comparing apples to oranges. You're comparing a poor-performing sword to a sword with proper geometry that is built to cut well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2008 8:05:41 GMT
I didnt mean to say that stealing another manufacturers design is a good thing, I said that a historical piece can be interpreted by the designer in any number of ways. Custom blades are an exception because it is not a historical piece and therefore cannot be interpreted in the same way. I didnt mean to sound as if I was accusing you of being a Albion fanboy. I agree totally that it doesnt matter how a sword is made as long as it does what its intended to do. I still say that Albion is overpriced, but of course that is my opinion and thats all it is. If I could afford one and wanted it, I would grumble about the price but I would still pay it. I like handmade blades because it makes them unique, not to say they are better in any way. I didnt say DSA makes the best swords, I consider them to be fancy wallhangers that can be used as a weapon if it came down to it. I prefer a lighter blade that moves quickly, not much for stabbing but a nice slasher. My biggest fear is a Zombie Apocalypse and its one of the main reasons I even own swords.
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Post by Dave(utilityslave) on Dec 5, 2008 12:36:06 GMT
Wow!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2008 18:21:01 GMT
Um, yeh............... SanMarc.
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