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Post by blackngold on Jul 6, 2024 0:43:38 GMT
Regenyei Arms appears to be rather well-known for their feders, blunts, and Bidenhänders, but I haven't seen very many opinions on their messers. Just for some quick background on myself, while my interest in arms is almost exclusively European (and some Chinese), my actual training is in the Filipino and Indonesian blade arts. So, basically, knives & bolos are what I know how to wield effectively. Given that I already own several bolo's from TFW and Blade Culture USA, I'd very much like something I can wield like a bolo, but with European proportions & aesthetics-- and bauernwehr & messers fit the bill to a "t"! To that end, I'm looking for something reasonably-priced but still fairly accurate in construction, function, & feel. I came across Landsknecht Emporium, and will likely buy one at some point, but I noticed Regenyei is much more affordable, while nailing the "look" of authentic messer. The one that caught my eye, in particular, is the "Paulus" model. The size & weight are roughly on par with a Kampilan, and also looks really freaking cool! regenyei.com/product/messer-paulus/#bladeSo, the question is, how much authenticity do you get for the buck, and what, if anything, gets "simplified" (to put it diplomatically) to hit that price point? Thanks!
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Post by fivesidedpixels on Jul 6, 2024 11:25:31 GMT
(disclaimer: I only own a sharp from LE, haven't tried a blunt from either maker yet) Looking at both Landsknecht Emporium and Regenyei's offerings, I think the prices aren't too far apart. However, once you factor in shipping, I think LE comes close or might even be cheaper. Assuming you live in the US, you'll have to buy Regenyei through a reseller. HEMA Supplies sells this Paulus model, but it's with a fair upcharge + additional shipping. Regenyei lists it at $346 (euros adjusted to USD), while HEMA Supplies has it at $440. For an LE alternative, here's their Gottfried messer (which I own sharp): landsknechtemporium.com/products/standard/messer/Gottfried-M3C-MesserWhile I haven't handled the blunt, this is easily the lightest and most agile sword I own. Nearly weightless in the hands, but maintains a respectable authority in the cut. I imagine the sparring version has similar handling. You'll have a LOT of fun doing abaniko/entrusthau/wrist-axis cuts. There's a couple customization options, so here's a configuration that'll be similar to the Paulus: - Gottfried model, beech grip: $330.60
- Thick blunted blade: $16.26
- Optional CC1 pommel: $43.36
- Shipping and handling (for me): $37.10
Total: $427.32
So, while this isn't what I'd call cheap, the Gottfried is somehow cheaper than the Paulus. Regenyei's other messers are more affordable, but they don't look as authentic. As for handling differences, again, I can't compare. But considering that Landsknecht Emporium's entire bread-and-butter is selling messers, I'd wager they'd win on some fronts. ![Gottfried-M3C-Messer 1.jpg](//storage.forums.net/1694914/thumbnailer/KZFfkNxwGLrEtKaT0WsZ.png) ![messer_total_134.jpg](//storage.forums.net/1694914/thumbnailer/jTuqqOTApEsoAsYDDGFF.png) Also, here's what it looks like with/without the pommel (image courtesy of MyArmoury). Adding the pommel brings the PoB a little closer and shortens the grip to account for that. The grip scales are also fullered to match, which feels nice.
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Post by strigoil on Jul 6, 2024 12:18:27 GMT
There is also the option of Pavel Moc, he can be a bit slow at answering emails and you need to be very specific if you want custom work from him and use simple English as he's not very good at it.
He offers his basic default messer at 350 euros but will do modifications or even fully customs but of course price will vary. The youtube channel Adorea uses his blades for some of their productions, including the messer duel.
I'm sure you'll be happy with either of the choices between Regenyei and LE however.
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Post by blackngold on Jul 6, 2024 21:45:01 GMT
There is also the option of Pavel Moc, he can be a bit slow at answering emails and you need to be very specific if you want custom work from him and use simple English as he's not very good at it. He offers his basic default messer at 350 euros but will do modifications or even fully customs but of course price will vary. The youtube channel Adorea uses his blades for some of their productions, including the messer duel. I'm sure you'll be happy with either of the choices between Regenyei and LE however. Thanks for the tip! I found his website and he does make a very nice-looking Kriegsmesser!
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Post by blackngold on Jul 6, 2024 21:57:37 GMT
(disclaimer: I only own a sharp from LE, haven't tried a blunt from either maker yet) Looking at both Landsknecht Emporium and Regenyei's offerings, I think the prices aren't too far apart. However, once you factor in shipping, I think LE comes close or might even be cheaper. Assuming you live in the US, you'll have to buy Regenyei through a reseller. HEMA Supplies sells this Paulus model, but it's with a fair upcharge + additional shipping. Regenyei lists it at $346 (euros adjusted to USD), while HEMA Supplies has it at $440. For an LE alternative, here's their Gottfried messer (which I own sharp): landsknechtemporium.com/products/standard/messer/Gottfried-M3C-MesserWhile I haven't handled the blunt, this is easily the lightest and most agile sword I own. Nearly weightless in the hands, but maintains a respectable authority in the cut. I imagine the sparring version has similar handling. You'll have a LOT of fun doing abaniko/entrusthau/wrist-axis cuts. There's a couple customization options, so here's a configuration that'll be similar to the Paulus: - Gottfried model, beech grip: $330.60
- Thick blunted blade: $16.26
- Optional CC1 pommel: $43.36
- Shipping and handling (for me): $37.10
Total: $427.32
So, while this isn't what I'd call cheap, the Gottfried is somehow cheaper than the Paulus. Regenyei's other messers are more affordable, but they don't look as authentic. As for handling differences, again, I can't compare. But considering that Landsknecht Emporium's entire bread-and-butter is selling messers, I'd wager they'd win on some fronts. Also, here's what it looks like with/without the pommel (image courtesy of MyArmoury). Adding the pommel brings the PoB a little closer and shortens the grip to account for that. The grip scales are also fullered to match, which feels nice. Yeah, so, when I was thinking of LE's pricing, I was actually confusing them with the made-to-order pieces made by Adam Bodorics, who is one of the several craftsman at LE. It turns out the delta between LE's listed prices and Regenyei's is not that much at all. And then, for just a little more than that is the Grossemesser by Tod Cutler... I like the look of your Gottfried-- very solid-looking, no-nonsense Messer!
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Post by joadams on Jul 11, 2024 14:44:55 GMT
I own messers from most European makers and Regenyei are by far the worst. Poor handling ("axe shaped like a sword" myth), ahistorical construction, ugly, overpriced, terrible customer service. LE are by far the best out there, short of the big four-figure names. Krieger are also good. Tod Cutler is good but a bit over priced, you're paying for the sheath. Pavel Moc... look really good, wants something in the handling, but fairly priced. VB... is on a level with Regenyei, but their pricing is more sensible and they at least look like proper Messer hilts.
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Post by strigoil on Jul 11, 2024 15:04:05 GMT
I own messers from most European makers and Regenyei are by far the worst. Poor handling ("axe shaped like a sword" myth), ahistorical construction, ugly, overpriced, terrible customer service. LE are by far the best out there, short of the big four-figure names. Krieger are also good. Tod Cutler is good but a bit over priced, you're paying for the sheath. Pavel Moc... look really good, wants something in the handling, but fairly priced. VB... is on a level with Regenyei, but their pricing is more sensible and they at least look like proper Messer hilts. Shame to hear about the Regenyei messers, I just got a TH 08 - Zweihander from them and the handling on that is really nice, odd that they can't do the same for a smaller sword, then again I don't like the look of most of their pieces except the two handers.
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Post by swordfriend on Jul 11, 2024 20:58:32 GMT
I have a blunt messer from VB...very heavy. Not like "front heavy" but overall heavy.
I've only handled sharps from LE but they have really good balance and feel to them.
Black Fencer has some messer, reasonably priced.
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Post by blackngold on Jul 13, 2024 0:14:51 GMT
Who is "VB"?
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Post by fivesidedpixels on Jul 13, 2024 4:43:32 GMT
Viktor Berbekucz. Hungarian smith known mostly for affordable HEMA/WMA equipment rather than sharps, though he does sell both. His swords are considered pretty alright in terms of handling, fit and finish, etc. The main benefit is that they're a lot cheaper than other options.
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Post by curiomansion on Jul 15, 2024 15:04:08 GMT
I've handled and extensively sparred with Regenyei, LE, and VB messers. I have a highly favorable opinion of the Regenyei messers. I will acknowledge that they are the most polarizing of the bunch, but I enjoy them. They are more forward weighted than the other two, and many of their models have a square grip that turn off many.
The VB I used handles well but I think is hideous beyond belief. I think it might be the cheapest, though.
I have a mixed feelings about LE. They probably should be your choice if you're not going to be bashing the weapon. Of the three brands, their swords were by far the least durable. They lasted about a month of hard use at our club (which is very intense), while the other two brands will last about two years. We sent our feedback to them, and I don't know if they made any adjustments. This was over two years ago.
Of the three, the Regenyei is actually my favorite all things considered, but LE is a very good pick, especially given that you can order a nice scabbard from them that looks amazing on the hip.
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