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Sword
May 7, 2024 13:41:01 GMT
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Post by wazza2020 on May 7, 2024 13:41:01 GMT
Hi all
Found this in my grandmothers loft, firstly would appreciate help with identification, especially the several markings on the case. Also, open for sale.
Many thanks in advance Rory
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Sword
May 7, 2024 13:49:21 GMT
Post by pellius on May 7, 2024 13:49:21 GMT
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Sword
May 7, 2024 15:30:18 GMT
Post by eddiet on May 7, 2024 15:30:18 GMT
Pictures?
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Sword
May 8, 2024 7:51:45 GMT
Post by wazza2020 on May 8, 2024 7:51:45 GMT
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May 8, 2024 9:12:17 GMT
Post by mrstabby on May 8, 2024 9:12:17 GMT
Looks to be a "Blucher" saber, a german variant of the 1796LC saber, but there should be stamps on the blade and grip that are more informative (it could be underneath a bit of rust, if you use a brush and brush some oil or alcohol onto the rust it MIGHT apper if there is indeed something there), the one on the scabbard are assignments I think, whom it was last issued? You might want to either let the mods move this post or repost in the "Renaissance and Military Swords" subforum where more knowledgeable people will see it and can be more accurate in assessing. Sword blade looks in good condition, grip and scabbard not so much, but don't try to clean it yourself unless you really know what you are doing.
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Sword
May 8, 2024 11:36:13 GMT
Post by wazza2020 on May 8, 2024 11:36:13 GMT
Looks to be a "Blucher" saber, a german variant of the 1796LC saber, but there should be stamps on the blade and grip that are more informative (it could be underneath a bit of rust, if you use a brush and brush some oil or alcohol onto the rust it MIGHT apper if there is indeed something there), the one on the scabbard are assignments I think, whom it was last issued? You might want to either let the mods move this post or repost in the "Renaissance and Military Swords" subforum where more knowledgeable people will see it and can be more accurate in assessing. Sword blade looks in good condition, grip and scabbard not so much, but don't try to clean it yourself unless you really know what you are doing.
Thanks for the reply, appreciate it.
Do you have any idea of the value?
Cheers
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Sword
May 8, 2024 12:15:06 GMT
Post by mrstabby on May 8, 2024 12:15:06 GMT
Unfortunately not, it would not only depend on its condition but also origin, scabbard is good, maybe someone knows, so look for any identification marks on the sword itself. Probably either spine, guard or near the langets.
Still better let the mods move this thread for identification before you sell, because you would need to know the price beforehand to sell it.
just klick on the gear and report post and ask the mods to move it. Or make a new thread.
Edit: between 100-1500$ is possible, depends a lot
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May 8, 2024 15:31:46 GMT
Post by madirish on May 8, 2024 15:31:46 GMT
Are there any markings on the spine of the blade, by chance? Or on the top of the guard? Most of the crossed out units appear to be "Train Batallions" - supply units, basically, the two lowest ones I can't make out. Looks to be a Gen 1 Bluecher that was repeatedly reissued.
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May 8, 2024 16:26:01 GMT
Post by wazza2020 on May 8, 2024 16:26:01 GMT
Are there any markings on the spine of the blade, by chance? Or on the top of the guard? Most of the crossed out units appear to be "Train Batallions" - supply units, basically, the two lowest ones I can't make out. Looks to be a Gen 1 Bluecher that was repeatedly reissued. Thanks, very interesting, whats a train battalion? I have looked at the spine and the only mark is on the side of the blade at the spine and just the number 26. All markings on the case read: R.P.C.7.100 (crossed out) 2.T.P.5.74 (crossed out) 2.T.P.467 5.6(or C) followed by maybe 8, then 2 5.6 Would this of been used in battle? Where does gen1 date to? Sorry but find it very interesting!
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May 8, 2024 16:32:02 GMT
Post by mrstabby on May 8, 2024 16:32:02 GMT
Are there any markings on the spine of the blade, by chance? Or on the top of the guard? Most of the crossed out units appear to be "Train Batallions" - supply units, basically, the two lowest ones I can't make out. Looks to be a Gen 1 Bluecher that was repeatedly reissued. Thanks, very interesting, whats a train battalion? I have looked at the spine and the only mark is on the side of the blade at the spine and just the number 26. All markings on the case read: R.P.C.7.100 (crossed out) 2.T.P.5.74 (crossed out) 2.T.P.467 5.6(or C) followed by maybe 8, then 2 5.6 Would this of been used in battle? Where does gen1 date to? Sorry but find it very interesting!
They are support troops, they bring food, ammo, clothing. They also deliver post. Very unlikely to really see battle in the end. gen 1 was 1809-1848 so maybe 1826?
Is there really nothing else? Hm.
EDIT: 2 T.P is likely "Pommersches Train-Bataillon Nr. 2", stationed by Altdamm in Pommern.
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May 8, 2024 16:42:42 GMT
Post by wazza2020 on May 8, 2024 16:42:42 GMT
Thanks, very interesting, whats a train battalion? I have looked at the spine and the only mark is on the side of the blade at the spine and just the number 26. All markings on the case read: R.P.C.7.100 (crossed out) 2.T.P.5.74 (crossed out) 2.T.P.467 5.6(or C) followed by maybe 8, then 2 5.6 Would this of been used in battle? Where does gen1 date to? Sorry but find it very interesting!
They are support troops, they bring food, ammo, clothing. They also deliver post. Very unlikely to really see battle in the end. gen 1 was 1809-1848 so maybe 1826?
Is there really nothing else? Hm.
Sadly not unless its faded away or under some dirt/rust, im not going to attempt to clean etc. myself. The 26 picture is attached. Are these very rare of lots of people hold? ![thumbnail_IMG_1659.jpg](//storage.forums.net/1694914/thumbnailer/TSrFyuexvepsMRvjYEWu.png)
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May 8, 2024 16:51:29 GMT
Post by ilvalto on May 8, 2024 16:51:29 GMT
if it could be any help, I bought an english 1796 light cavalry sabre (which is almost the same model), in a similar condition for around 500€ few months ago on Delcampe - I'd say you're probably looking at something similar in terms of market value in Europe? not sure if you're based in the US or where are you based and if prices are significantly different...(nice sword btw - I really like it - if I didn't have the 1796, and if I weren't skint, I'll try and buy it off you!!)
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May 8, 2024 16:57:15 GMT
Post by wazza2020 on May 8, 2024 16:57:15 GMT
if it could be any help, I bought an english 1796 light cavalry sabre (which is almost the same model), in a similar condition for around 500€ few months ago on Delcampe - I'd say you're probably looking at something similar in terms of market value in Europe? not sure if you're based in the US or where are you based and if prices are significantly different...(nice sword btw - I really like it - if I didn't have the 1796, and if I weren't skint, I'll try and buy it off you!!) Thank you, im based in Kent, UK. I dont want to go down the auction route, rather a private seller who appreciates it. & thanks haha, its quite a specimen when holding it I must say, a mighty blade
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May 8, 2024 16:58:57 GMT
Post by mrstabby on May 8, 2024 16:58:57 GMT
if it could be any help, I bought an english 1796 light cavalry sabre (which is almost the same model), in a similar condition for around 500€ few months ago on Delcampe - I'd say you're probably looking at something similar in terms of market value in Europe? not sure if you're based in the US or where are you based and if prices are significantly different...(nice sword btw - I really like it - if I didn't have the 1796, and if I weren't skint, I'll try and buy it off you!!) The 1796LC are more pricey. I have seen similar 1811 examples go on auction for 300€.
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May 8, 2024 17:00:48 GMT
Post by mrstabby on May 8, 2024 17:00:48 GMT
if it could be any help, I bought an english 1796 light cavalry sabre (which is almost the same model), in a similar condition for around 500€ few months ago on Delcampe - I'd say you're probably looking at something similar in terms of market value in Europe? not sure if you're based in the US or where are you based and if prices are significantly different...(nice sword btw - I really like it - if I didn't have the 1796, and if I weren't skint, I'll try and buy it off you!!) Thank you, im based in Kent, UK. I dont want to go down the auction route, rather a private seller who appreciates it. & thanks haha, its quite a specimen when holding it I must say, a mighty blade Be careful selling this in UK, if you send it outside customs might take it, google a bit "curved sword selling UK", better safe than sorry. It should be fine since it's over 100 years, but sht happens and police and customs aren't antiques dealers who would know...
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May 8, 2024 22:28:47 GMT
Post by madirish on May 8, 2024 22:28:47 GMT
Yeah...Train Battalions are supply units (as I noted). Those top three units are all supply units. The 4th one may be 5.C.B.2....a detachment of a cavalry brigade
1796LC are definitely priced higher than Bluchers. With yours basically being unmarked, it also reduces value. It would seem that the sword does not go with that scabbard.
Since the sword appears unmarked, it is less likely that it actually saw combat, but possible...maybe some parts were replaced at a late date.
This generation was in use from 1811 to 1848.
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