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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2008 14:39:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2008 14:44:59 GMT
windlass arming sword
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Post by ShooterMike on Nov 6, 2008 1:59:25 GMT
Seconded. Of the list, that would definitely be my pick. I haven't been buying sub $300 swords lately, but I still plan on getting one of these eventually.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2008 12:56:26 GMT
Blackhawk: just to clarify here, are you after a sword that cuts and thrusts or are you after an actual cut and thrust sword? If after an actual cut and thrust, I think the italian cut and thrust is an elegant and beautiful looking weapon. I have had my eye on this one for a while, I handled the english cut and thrust on sunday and it was a rather nice sword to use. So please clarify ![:)](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2008 13:39:40 GMT
Blackhawk: just to clarify here, are you after a sword that cuts and thrusts or are you after an actual cut and thrust sword? If after an actual cut and thrust, I think the italian cut and thrust is an elegant and beautiful looking weapon. I have had my eye on this one for a while, I handled the english cut and thrust on sunday and it was a rather nice sword to use. So please clarify ![:)](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Agreed. I wasn't clear in my initial post. I'm looking for a sword that cuts and thrusts, not a cut-and-thrust sword. I'll pick up a falchion and a spear some other day. ![:)](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Also, I'm not an historian, but I'm currently wanting to collect from the Midieval period. I understand (maybe incorrectly) that the cut-and-thrust sword came into its own during the Renaissance. Blood, both you and Mike recommend the Oakeshott, but I must admit that I think it is the ugliest of the bunch I listed in my original post. And by ugly, I don't mean plain. I'm talking about the way the blade flairs close to the hilt. I understand that form follows function, but that extra metal close to the hilt has to push the POB toward the tip. Maybe that's what you find endearing. Any comments on the Henry V? Is it a sharpened crowbar? I like this blade's profile, but I have no idea of its distal taper (if any). At almost three pounds, I wonder if it isn't heavy for a period one-hander. After researching, I realize it's a Hanwei. Edited to add that I now realize the court sword is probably from the renaissance.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Nov 6, 2008 15:14:33 GMT
I'll be posting a review of the Windlass Late Spanish Sword in a day or two (as soon as I can get some cutting done basically) but I think that it is a very nice looking cutting and thrusting sword. initial impressions are very good. you may want to consider it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2008 15:40:55 GMT
Actually the flared base puts more metal into the hand of the wielder making the blade balance more neutral. The flair is actually one of the draw cards for this particular blade, a flared base generally means that as I said the balance is more neutral. If you look at the albion short swords they have a reasonably neutral point of balance. The PoB on the arming sword is 3 inches from the guard which is as I said a reasonably neutral PoB that leads to a lightning fast sword in the hand. Not sure if you've read this but the details are here; www.swordsofvalor.com/armingsword.html
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2008 18:37:48 GMT
Ian, the spanish doesn't float my boat, but thanks for suggesting it.
Blood, that review was why I added the Oakeshott to my list.
I guess I don't understand sword balance.... I thought that anything past the hand was counterbalanced by the pommel. That is, the hand is the fulcrum of the lever (blade, handle, and pommel). So with that (mis)understanding, the flair of the blade would tip the scale in favor of the blade, although the moment would be moved closer to the hand...ah, that's the key! Duh!
So this blade gives both blade presence and quickness. I get it now!
I've been operating under a false assumption here. I thought for a blade to be quick, the balance should be as close to the hand as possible with the overall weight of the sword as minimal as is practical. But a good cutter requires blade presence, so moving the moment closer to the hand gives a good trade of presence and quickness.
Thanks for helping me understand why certain blade geometries are what they are.
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Post by ShooterMike on Nov 6, 2008 18:46:31 GMT
I've been operating under a false assumption here. I thought for a blade to be quick, the balance should be as close to the hand as possible with the overall weight of the sword as minimal as is practical. But a good cutter requires blade presence, so moving the moment closer to the hand gives a good trade of presence and quickness. Thanks for helping me understand why certain blade geometries are what they are. Exactly correct. Part of what makes a sword "quick" is having a goodly portion of the weight as near the user's index and middle finger as possible. So a heavier guard is preferred to a heavier pommel. The Point of Balance is the point where the sword balances if placed on a point (think seesaw). The higher percentage of the sword's weight that sits between that point on the blade and the user's hand, the less distance that weight has to move and the quicker the rest of the sword can move with a given amount of force.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2008 19:16:50 GMT
Thanks, Mike. I see it now. The pommel is also mass on a stick, so the heavier the pommel, the slower the sword as well.
Again, thanks a lot for helping me understand this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2008 19:20:15 GMT
For what it's worth, the Kult of Athena photo of the Arming Sword doesn't do it justice. If you've not done so already - use the link provided by bloodwraith to get a better overall picture. Of the swords you listed above, the Arming Sword is almost a no-brainer for construction alone. Nice. Geez, now I want one... better go look at my bills for a reality check! ![;)](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2008 19:56:39 GMT
For what it's worth, the Kult of Athena photo of the Arming Sword doesn't do it justice. If you've not done so already - use the link provided by bloodwraith to get a better overall picture. Of the swords you listed above, the Arming Sword is almost a no-brainer for construction alone. Nice. Geez, now I want one... better go look at my bills for a reality check! ![;)](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Hammer, by construction, do you mean the sword's design? Is Windlass peening their pommels? Other considerations? I wonder why folks like Henry V didn't use the Oakeshott XIV design. I'm pretty much convinced, and I'm no Henry.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2008 23:35:41 GMT
From reading, the pommels are peened; the hilt leather is stitched; and the hardware is substantial. BTW - have you seen the pommels options on AOV? ![](http://www.armsofvalour.com/Chart%20small%20labeled.jpg) Man, I have got to stop looking at this sword - lol.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2008 2:31:21 GMT
The sword attribute to Henry the V is a type XVIII sword which is also a very good sword design...without it looking like a XIV. Don't get me wrong, I love how XIVs feel in my hands. But I just don't like how they look much. XVIII on the other hand look nice to me and feel prety darn good too ![:)](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) . Course I wouldn't exactly call the valiant version a good example of such a sword. Overall, I really like type XVIII swords ![:)](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) . The gen 2 Henry the V version isn't bad for the price...although the current batch does have the tip issue...and I don't like how slick the leather is (especially for cutting) and the pommel while historical and hollow seems to reverb a bit when I did a back cut with it. Anyways, another nail in the coffin, the windlass XIV is also a sword I plan on adding to my collection at some point to fill my XIV niche as well. Assuming it doesn't get discontinued by the time I get some money for sword again....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2008 12:46:53 GMT
Okay. I gotta quit this forum and spend my money elsewhere! :-)
Those pommels look really nice! Unfortunately, my plan is to exercise restraint and pick up a few low dollar pieces before donating to the more expensive manufacturers.
Thanks for the insight, Napalm. I believe we have similar taste in blade geometries.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2008 11:38:52 GMT
I would suggest a custom handle option on any sword that is picked up, because of the production swords don't have the best quality handles, but that is why we pay so little for them.
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