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Post by nddave on Sept 14, 2023 3:32:33 GMT
Matt's post is included in Shad's post right below. It's the same post you linked. So I'm assuming those that have read the initial link read both posts from each party. Yeah, but it states outright some of the things being speculated about, and goes out of its way to specifically avoid some of the things Matt is being accused of, so I have to assume at least some posters have not read it. (Or have read it but decided to disregard it for some reason, I suppose.) Either or it's pretty telling when read, I mean it not like there's much defense for Matt in regards to his treatment of Shad. I've watched many of the Friday Night Tights and Knights Watch videos and they literally focus on woke Hollywood and how in their opinion it ruining modern cinema. How Matt could consider such things as attacks or harm to people of his community (whatever that is, he never actually specifies) is quite derogatory. I mean it's not like Shad was disrespecting or personally attacking anyone in his shared content with Matt or towards Matt and his supposed community right? Unless Matt's community is secretly Disney executives and producers....
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Post by howler on Sept 14, 2023 4:19:04 GMT
Yeah, but it states outright some of the things being speculated about, and goes out of its way to specifically avoid some of the things Matt is being accused of, so I have to assume at least some posters have not read it. (Or have read it but decided to disregard it for some reason, I suppose.) Either or it's pretty telling when read, I mean it not like there's much defense for Matt in regards to his treatment of Shad. I've watched many of the Friday Night Tights and Knights Watch videos and they literally focus on woke Hollywood and how in their opinion it ruining modern cinema. How Matt could consider such things as attacks or harm to people of his community (whatever that is, he never actually specifies) is quite derogatory. I mean it's not like Shad was disrespecting or personally attacking anyone in his shared content with Matt or towards Matt and his supposed community right? Unless Matt's community is secretly Disney executives and producers.... Yep, I read both posts and it simply ain't right and makes no sense to not privately discuss with Shad before publicly aired laundry. I have not viewed the videos in question, but they would have to be pretty bad (for me) to not first contact Shad and then go public with a shunning. Something else going on but that would only be speculation.
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Post by mrstabby on Sept 14, 2023 8:05:53 GMT
There has to be more than "Some people I know don't like your political viewpoint so I will kick you into the pit". At least I hope there is more, else it's a very stupid reason for a very drastic step. I mean Matt just could have not worked with Shad in the future instead of throwing the gauntlet publicly.
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Post by treeslicer on Sept 14, 2023 12:16:04 GMT
There has to be more than "Some people I know don't like your political viewpoint so I will kick you into the pit". At least I hope there is more, else it's a very stupid reason for a very drastic step. I mean Matt just could have not worked with Shad in the future instead of throwing the gauntlet publicly. If they have a duel on YouTube, I'm sure it would attract a huge audience. Cutting edge entertainment always does.
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Post by perignum on Sept 14, 2023 12:26:13 GMT
I think Matt was very careful not to actually name Shad in his original post. Though everyone knew who he was talking about. Shad’s very public response kinda started a bit of a storm. But it’s a storm in a tea cup in my opinion.
One creator not wanting to associate or collaborate with another is their business. As is their reasoning. Whether I agree with it or not makes not a whit of difference.
I’ll still watch both channels. Though, for the record, I find Matt’s stuff more interesting.
Anyway, that’s my two cents.
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Post by neuronic on Sept 14, 2023 12:44:55 GMT
Really...? A "cancel culture" thread? Gosh, guys... you are making fools of yourselves here, big time
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Post by nddave on Sept 14, 2023 13:52:51 GMT
There has to be more than "Some people I know don't like your political viewpoint so I will kick you into the pit". At least I hope there is more, else it's a very stupid reason for a very drastic step. I mean Matt just could have not worked with Shad in the future instead of throwing the gauntlet publicly. Exactly, the fact Matt did it openly and so strongly really shows a side of him that personally bothers me. I mean seriously you would have thought Shad did something criminal to recieve such a response. This was done purposefully and definitely has ties to who Shad has affiliated with (Friday Night Tights) and their own recent cancel attack. It's just sad it was done through our sword enthusiast community. Guess no is really safe from the "Woke Mob" even sword geeks lol!
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Post by nddave on Sept 14, 2023 14:00:33 GMT
Really...? A "cancel culture" thread? Gosh, guys... you are making fools of yourselves here, big time It's not foolish to look at personal attacks between sword enthusiasts on a sword enthusiast community between other sword enthusiasts. Again this behavior really shines a negative light on Matt and how if you're personal or political views don't meet with his he will dismiss or besmirch you regardless. Again Matt being one of the more renowned and popular public figures of the social media sword community, it makes it really hard to want to support him when you never know if you or someone else might be next to get a public besmirching based on something non-sword related.
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Post by neuronic on Sept 14, 2023 14:24:13 GMT
Big time, indeed...
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Post by pellius on Sept 14, 2023 14:26:39 GMT
Let’s please continue to be respectful toward one other on this forum.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Sept 14, 2023 14:44:11 GMT
Shad’s a Mormon, not a Neo Nazi. Presumably people are upset because he holds the mainline orthodox Mormon position on LGBTQ issues. I don’t share Shad’s views, but I have to wonder if this would go differently if he held the very same, or more extreme views as a Muslim instead of a Mormon.
Edit: well, the above is still true but apparently I missed that Shad has been quite loudly complaining about Hollywood wokeism, feminism, and… communism? In his videos. Yeah, what did he think would happen? Should’ve stuck to swords and castles.
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Post by durinnmcfurren on Sept 14, 2023 15:28:03 GMT
There has to be more than "Some people I know don't like your political viewpoint so I will kick you into the pit". At least I hope there is more, else it's a very stupid reason for a very drastic step. I mean Matt just could have not worked with Shad in the future instead of throwing the gauntlet publicly. Unfortunately not. There's a lot of people that will require you to cut all ties and publicly denounce anyone whose views are deemed unacceptable. Many of those people do in fact determine whether you will get to hold a job or get sponsors. Either Matt is one of the true believers in that kind of thing, or else his sponsors insisted on it. Either way, while I have no problems watching people whose views I disagree with, I'm not really comfortable supporting someone who engages in that kind of cancelling, especially without saying just what Shad did or said that he finds so unacceptable. The only people who should get cancelled are the cancellers. I would much prefer if Matt said exactly what about Shad bothered him so much, because maybe Shad really did say something truly egregious that I am unaware of. Vague 'racism, homophobia, or sexism' statements don't convey much to me. In today's climate that could mean anything. Now for the record, I don't watch Shad very much because his over the top style of presentation isn't really my favorite. When he's informative, he's great. When he gets on a rant, meh. As such I don't watch his Knights Watch channel. I also would like to know: would Matt, in his capacity as an antique sword dealer, sell Shad a sword? What level of discrimination and ostracizing against Shad and those who share his beliefs does Matt think is justified here? Shall we ban Shad from all buying and selling, including of food, unless he agrees to accept Matt's views? And while we are cancelling people, perhaps we should cancel anyone who accepts sponsorship from Raid Shadowlegends!
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Post by mrstabby on Sept 14, 2023 15:59:08 GMT
And while we are cancelling people, perhaps we should cancel anyone who accepts sponsorship from Raid Shadowlegends! Harsh, man. That'd be almost everyone, no?
Same. I don't watch Shad much, he's too antsy for me. I also would like to know, because either Shad said or did something extremely horrible or Matt overreacted, leaves too much room for interpretation. Though I do understand not wanting to tell on someone, but then why drag it into the open in the first place? Either way a sad affair.
It's probably just Matt trying to keep his earnings safe without thinking it through. You can't please everybody, and these days, either side of the aisle is very, very thin skinned and scream for blood after any small indescretion. As I said though, I neither knew nor had any wish to know about their world view, I came for the shiny cutty-stabby metal objects, no more.
Why bring politics into the sword topic anyways? It's not as if swords and politics have anything to do with each other, we use guns now!
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Post by nddave on Sept 14, 2023 16:19:15 GMT
Shad’s a Mormon, not a Neo Nazi. Presumably people are upset because he holds the mainline orthodox Mormon position on LGBTQ issues. I don’t share Shad’s views, but I have to wonder if this would go differently if he held the very same, or more extreme views as a Muslim instead of a Mormon. Edit: well, the above is still true but apparently I missed that Shad has been quite loudly complaining about Hollywood wokeism, feminism, and… communism? In his videos. Yeah, what did he think would happen? Should’ve stuck to swords and castles. Then again why does that matter? So Shad should just change his personal views to appease a mob!? That's ridiculous, it's not like anyone is canceling Matt for having views and opinions on the other side. Canceling is a movement done by the extreme left to try and dictate the atmosphere of modern society and culture. Shad could have easily done the same to Matt for having views different than his but he didn't did he? If this was a dual detrimental attack between the two that would be one thing. If the shoe was on the other foot and it was Shad attacking Matt for having opposing views I would be on Matt's side. Point is Cancel Culture is despicable and a petty and weak way to force a narrative.
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Post by pellius on Sept 14, 2023 16:25:44 GMT
Everyone please keep in mind that SBG Rules prohibit any discussion of religion or politics.
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Post by nddave on Sept 14, 2023 16:47:37 GMT
And while we are cancelling people, perhaps we should cancel anyone who accepts sponsorship from Raid Shadowlegends! Harsh, man. That'd be almost everyone, no?
Same. I don't watch Shad much, he's too antsy for me. I also would like to know, because either Shad said or did something extremely horrible or Matt overreacted, leaves too much room for interpretation. Though I do understand not wanting to tell on someone, but then why drag it into the open in the first place? Either way a sad affair.
It's probably just Matt trying to keep his earnings safe without thinking it through. You can't please everybody, and these days, either side of the aisle is very, very thin skinned and scream for blood after any small indescretion. As I said though, I neither knew nor had any wish to know about their world view, [[["I came for the shiny cutty-stabby metal objects, no more.
Why bring politics into the sword topic anyways?"]]]It's not as if swords and politics have anything to do with each other, we use guns now! Exactly my point regarding this thread, the sword enthusiast community is small enough without this type of hateful segregation making it smaller.
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Post by howler on Sept 14, 2023 17:25:43 GMT
Shad’s a Mormon, not a Neo Nazi. Presumably people are upset because he holds the mainline orthodox Mormon position on LGBTQ issues. I don’t share Shad’s views, but I have to wonder if this would go differently if he held the very same, or more extreme views as a Muslim instead of a Mormon. Edit: well, the above is still true but apparently I missed that Shad has been quite loudly complaining about Hollywood wokeism, feminism, and… communism? In his videos. Yeah, what did he think would happen? Should’ve stuck to swords and castles. Then again why does that matter? So Shad should just change his personal views to appease a mob!? That's ridiculous, it's not like anyone is canceling Matt for having views and opinions on the other side. Canceling is a movement done by the extreme left to try and dictate the atmosphere of modern society and culture. Shad could have easily done the same to Matt for having views different than his but he didn't did he? If this was a dual detrimental attack between the two that would be one thing. If the shoe was on the other foot and it was Shad attacking Matt for having opposing views I would be on Matt's side. Point is Cancel Culture is despicable and a petty and weak way to force a narrative. Cancel Culture is sick and evil, regardless of who uses it. Though I believe certain affiliations use it much more, that's a political discussion belonging on another forum.
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Post by Brian Kunz on Sept 14, 2023 22:29:08 GMT
My philosophy has always been; never wash your laundry in public, or the public may see your train tracks. It's also a good idea to mind your own business, and not to meddle in others. Social media has been both a blessing, and a curse. It has created a lot of opportunites, while at the same time, distorted the views of a generation (or two). It has shown the best of us, and the worst.
The truth of the matter is, we will likely never know the whole truth. Why do people like to follow drama? Drama sucks, life is short, be happy.
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Post by Scott on Sept 15, 2023 2:40:31 GMT
How exactly is Shad being cancelled? He still has his channels, he can keep posting content like he always has. Matt said he will no longer associate with him, and has every right to do so. He hasn't stopped anyone from viewing Shad's videos, or told anyone they shouldn't be viewing them. I haven't seen anyone attacking Shad over this, but there are those getting stuck in to Matt about it. So how is Shad being cancelled? For the record I do not watch Shad's videos, and only very rarely watch any of Matt's. Incidentally, can anyone explain what 'woke' means?
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Post by howler on Sept 15, 2023 3:59:28 GMT
How exactly is Shad being cancelled? He still has his channels, he can keep posting content like he always has. Matt said he will no longer associate with him, and has every right to do so. He hasn't stopped anyone from viewing Shad's videos, or told anyone they shouldn't be viewing them. I haven't seen anyone attacking Shad over this, but there are those getting stuck in to Matt about it. So how is Shad being cancelled? For the record I do not watch Shad's videos, and only very rarely watch any of Matt's. Incidentally, can anyone explain what 'woke' means? I believe it was nddave pointing out to the blade community that Matt may have been pressured by woke cancel culture to cancel Shad. How else to explain (and this is what bothers me) the BS moves of not first privately discussing and then airing dirty laundry in public? And nddave has every right to do...just like Matt has a right to his BS moves.
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