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Post by ehartkopf on Sept 3, 2023 13:18:34 GMT
Has anyone used cold blue on an Albion? Is it possible? What is the best method? Thanks for your input.
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Post by mrstabby on Sept 3, 2023 13:54:26 GMT
Not specifically Albion, but I have done some. It should be possible on their mild steel fittings. There are multiple solutions, in my experience the Birchwood Casey has the best surface finish. They will all be comparable, though some make a thinner oxide layer with every application so you need to redo it more often. There are also some gel type solutions, but I have no experience with them Firstly BE SAFE, use gloves and do it in a ventilated room. These solutions use nasty stuff. You need to make sure all oil is gone and the finish on the steel is what you want the blued part to be (the blueing will leave a bit rougher a finish than the clean steel, so if you want it to have a almost mirror shine, the steel needs to be mirror polished before hand). After you have the finish you want and degreased and cleaned the piece (I would also put spme tape over leather and wood parts) you need something to apply the solution. Almost anything works, but smooth fabric worked best for me. You need the fabric to be wet, but not dripping and run it over the surface. Here is one thing I wish I knew before: It shouldn't leave a wet surface, because if the applicator is too wet and leaves drops, you get a blotchy finish that doesn't look good. The steel should change colour immediately on contact with the applicator. Try to apply it as smoothly as possible, everywhere you go over twice will be a bit darker. Now, after putting on one layer let it sit a bit, the longer you let it, the darker it gets, though I rather put on multiple coats than letting it sit longer because the finish gets rougher the longer it sits. Use water to wash off the blueing solution after a few minutes, then you need to oil it and rub it with an oily rag a bit to see how it looks. You only see how it will look after you oiled it and rubbed it a bit with a rag because the oxide layer forms unevenly and the rubbing gets rid of the loose material. Now either clean off the oil, go for another coat if it's not dark enough or leave it as is. You can't really polish the cold blued parts much unless you put on many layers, since the layers it produces are not as thick as other blueing methods. If you polish it too much you will break through to the steel underneath quickly.
EDIT: BTW, cold blue is more to repair scratches, so i you do a big surface you always get some inconsistencies. I'd try wiping the whole thing at once with a big rag, the problem is overlap. Where the swipes overlap you get darker or lighter areas.
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Post by ehartkopf on Sept 5, 2023 16:00:45 GMT
Thank you for the detailed response. Looks like I have a weekend project.
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Post by squirrel502 on Sept 5, 2023 18:57:25 GMT
I had tried using cold bluing on my Crecy several times "both gel and liquid" and in every case, I was less then impressed with the final finish. Oddly enough, I used some berchwood casey bluing removal "came with the kit"...and actually left a very nice gray finish on the furniture. Just some food for thought.
If I wanted to just have blackened furniture that was pretty durable, I would probably mask off the blade/handle and use an air dry cerakote.
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Post by mrstabby on Sept 5, 2023 19:17:15 GMT
I am making a new pommel nut for a blackened sword, and something I just remembered while doing it, you best use something you can throw away to apply the blueing, because at some point, it will get dirty enough and the solution dilute enough that the finish will look streaky or weak. Can you see the golden tint on the underside of the left one (the ne I am making), this is what happens if the solution on you applicator is done, I should have used a second applicator (cotton swab in this case). BTW, if a part is small enough and you have enough solution, just dip it, this will give you the most uniform surface you can get (I don't have that much cold blue left to do this now and it's version 1, so I am not going all in until I know it will work.).
I steal my wifes lint-free cotton pads, they work great for this and applying oil and are dirt cheap. Look like this:
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Sept 6, 2023 3:07:00 GMT
For my Stormbringer project I used Nigrit cold blueing solution (perhaps only available in Germany?) with a paint brush. Project is paused due to lazyness in the moment. sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/70502/andis-strombringer-projectIt worked better on a blade which I tried to acid etch before and polished/sanded it again with grey Scotch Brits. Also when I removed the first not satisfying blueing coat with Scotch Brits and tried again. Several coating are usually necessary for a good look. Several months are gone now and the coating seems to be relative stable.
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Post by ehartkopf on Sept 9, 2023 18:15:48 GMT
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Sept 9, 2023 18:18:59 GMT
Nice!
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Post by mrstabby on Sept 9, 2023 19:37:48 GMT
Great result! How often did you apply the solution?
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Post by ehartkopf on Sept 9, 2023 20:31:08 GMT
I taped off the blade and handle using painters tape. Then I cleaned the surface with acetone multiple times. I used Casey Birchwood SuperBlue and lightly applied it in the longest most constituent strokes possible using small foam brush. After one minute I wiped the blue off, and gently buffed it with a grey scotchbrite pad to even out the coating. I did this four times. The finish still did not look great, but I oiled it heavily with mineral oil and let it sit overnight. In the morning the finish looked perfectly uniform. I wiped the oil off and applied Ren wax. The finish has stayed stable for 2 days. I can update if it changes.
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Post by mrstabby on Sept 9, 2023 20:40:59 GMT
Yeah, the blueing can look quite bad before it is oiled and had some time to sit. I have read of people re-doing the blueing process and sanding it off multiple times because it looked bad because they didn't oil it or gave it enough time to work.
BTW there are actually 2 different Birchwood Casey blueing solution, Super Blue gives a greyish-black finish and Perma Blue is blueish-black. Also for brass and aluminium, but the aluminium gives you a very rough surface structure, it works, but I don't like it much, rather just use some lacquer.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Sept 9, 2023 20:43:37 GMT
Yup, oil it!
Nigrit just blackens.
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Post by mrstabby on Oct 1, 2023 19:35:43 GMT
So, after testing I can say: There is definately a colour difference! I have Birchwood Super Blue, Presto Mag and Ballistol "Schnellbrünierung" (="quick blue", IDK if it is sold in the US). I didn't buy the Birchwood Perma Blue since it should be similar to the Ballistol. So, I will take photos tomorrow in the sun (if it doesn't rain) of an old cutter blade I used., for now I am just gonna tell you. The Presto Mag makes the bluest oxide layer I have ever seen. It isn't as opaque (you can still see the scratch pattern on the steel underneath) as the Ballistol's. It is pretty nice. You have to be careful though, if you wipe over the same area twice you will wipe away the blue and you end up with something that looks case hardened. It takes longer to work than the others, so I was a bit too fast and went over it twice. The Super Blue is somewhere in between. Slightly more blue than the Ballistol, slightly blacker than the Presto Mag but also not very opaque. Though my bottle was open already and I am getting a new one, might be darker. The Ballistol makes a deep black, instantly. But it tends to get streaky if you aren't careful. The Perma Blue might be slightly more blue than the Ballistol, since it has a bit copper sulfate which the Ballistol does not. I always found the Ballistol solution to produce a too black a finish, so I am pretty happy having tried all of these. EDIT: The Nigrit solution has the same ingredients as the Perma Blue Hmm, putting some scratches on the finishes seems equally easy on all 3, but I did only one application for testing. More layers and tests to follow.
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