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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Oct 7, 2022 14:11:05 GMT
My thoughts... While they are replicas of existing swords, to my eye, there's something off here. Maybe its the eye candy factor, I dunno. I guess I'd have to hold one to fall in love. So...who will be the matchmaker and get me one? I'll happily review the falchion...  But seriously, I don't think they will impact Albion etc. They have their niche, and it appears none of the swords thusfar are direct competition. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2022 14:24:25 GMT
I may seem a bit overeager about this line, but the reason is because I want Windlass to improve. I like it when manufacturers are receptive to criticism and make adjustments to their work. Windlass has been an entry level or budget range for many decades now, and I anticipate that they will for years to come, but there is room for a mid-range line out there. I also really like that these are 1:1 replicas of museum pieces.
The photos are really subpar. I anticipate those will improve once Atlanta Cutlery actually receives these.
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Post by Lord Newport on Oct 7, 2022 14:43:19 GMT
I dont think so, the fit and finish dont look as good even vs the squire line The fact that they don't come sharp is kind of a pain. I will have to wait for Kult of athena to list them and select their sharpening service. I dont think so, the fit and finish dont look as good even vs the squire line I think you're right about that. The fit and finish certainly does not look as clean, specifically the lack of a super tight fitting of the guard. Still, I think there are some people who might actually prefer the handmade look of these blades. Albion will still be a cut above. This new line is just a good mid range option. I didn't do enough due diligence.. apparently they are NOT going to be true to the originals and therefore more likely just Windless budget end knock offs. |
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Post by stormmaster on Oct 7, 2022 14:56:09 GMT
Where did it say it won't be a 1 for 1 replica? Cause that kinda seems like it defeats the purpose of this line
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Post by Kane Shen on Oct 7, 2022 15:27:04 GMT
The fact that they don't come sharp is kind of a pain. I will have to wait for Kult of athena to list them and select their sharpening service. I’m not sure they would allow vendors to sharpen them prior to sales. Museum Replica doesn’t offer their standard sharpening service on their regular offerings, and stated the nature of officially licensed Royal Armouries souvenir status prevent them from being sold as sharp, while indicating sharpening on the customers’ end would void warranty. |
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Post by Kane Shen on Oct 7, 2022 15:30:21 GMT
Where did it say it won't be a 1 for 1 replica? Cause that kinda seems like it defeats the purpose of this line They aim to be 1:1 replicas but on some models there are some minor discrepancies. For example the Wakefield Hanger’s fuller is much narrower than the original. It is clear as day on MRL’s first comparison photo of the product page. Other discrepancies can be explained away by stating that the surviving example might have suffered some material loss. That much narrower fuller can hardly be explained away other than the lack of attention to detail though. |
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Post by pellius on Oct 7, 2022 15:44:38 GMT
Where did it say it won't be a 1 for 1 replica? Cause that kinda seems like it defeats the purpose of this line They aim to be 1:1 replicas but on some models there are some minor discrepancies. For example the Wakefield Hanger’s fuller is much narrower than the original. It is clear as day on MRL’s first comparison photo of the product page. Other discrepancies can be explained away by stating that the surviving example might have suffered some material loss. That much narrower fuller can hardly be explained away other than the lack of attention to detail though. Speaking of that… Did they just flat out attach the nagel upside down? Yikes. I’m out, even if prices were cut in half. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2022 15:45:03 GMT
I dont think so, the fit and finish dont look as good even vs the squire line The fact that they don't come sharp is kind of a pain. I will have to wait for Kult of athena to list them and select their sharpening service. I think you're right about that. The fit and finish certainly does not look as clean, specifically the lack of a super tight fitting of the guard. Still, I think there are some people who might actually prefer the handmade look of these blades. Albion will still be a cut above. This new line is just a good mid range option. I didn't do enough due diligence.. apparently they are NOT going to be true to the originals and therefore more likely just Windless budget end knock offs. These are exact replicas made from measurements taken personally by Matt Easton. In what way are these not going to be true to the originals? In what way are these knock offs? |
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Post by pellius on Oct 7, 2022 15:46:41 GMT
Upside down nagel.
Aw, c’mon, Matt!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2022 15:50:37 GMT
They aim to be 1:1 replicas but on some models there are some minor discrepancies. For example the Wakefield Hanger’s fuller is much narrower than the original. It is clear as day on MRL’s first comparison photo of the product page. Other discrepancies can be explained away by stating that the surviving example might have suffered some material loss. That much narrower fuller can hardly be explained away other than the lack of attention to detail though. Speaking of that… Did they just flat out attach the nagel upside down? Yikes. I’m out, even if prices were cut in half. They are unsure if that is a nagel or a portion of a larger side guard that was broken off. In that sense they are replicating a protrusion that exists on the surviving piece. |
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Post by pellius on Oct 7, 2022 15:51:32 GMT
That possible protruding guard… extended toward the pommel.
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It is not my intention to be unduly negative.
However, the promise of the line was that the internet-famous sword expert Matt Easton was assuring quality control and ensuring historical fidelity.
I think the prices were elevated due to this.
With respect, inconsistencies should be hard to detect, not obvious even in low res promotional photos.
That’s jmtc, though.
I still hope the line irons things out and is ultimately successful.
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Post by stormmaster on Oct 7, 2022 15:56:14 GMT
Hopefully it turns out amazing im waiting on reviews by guys like phillip martin
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2022 16:17:26 GMT
I emailed Matt Easton a moment ago. He replied within five minutes. Regarding the nagel/lug on the replica of the Wakefield hanger: "Hi Daniel, I have asked Windlass about this. I agree that the photo makes it look like it is pointing upwards, when it shouldn't be. In fact the example I have in hand was a last prototype and we did change the lug slightly at the last minute, because it seems that on the original sword it is broken and bent downwards, and if this is copied on the replica then it makes the sword very uncomfortable to hold, as the lug then digs into the knuckle. It seems likely that the original's 'lug'/nagel probably projected outwards at about 90 degrees, so this is how the final version should be. I have messaged Windlass for clarification. Best wishes, Matt." Screenshot of the message below:  |
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Post by pellius on Oct 7, 2022 16:39:25 GMT
That’s great news!
Not only are they open to modification/correction even at this stage, but also Mr. Easton is still truly and actively involved in the project.
Honestly, that puts me back on the fence, leaning toward buying.
Thank you for getting that information and sharing it with us.
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Post by Lord Newport on Oct 7, 2022 16:48:39 GMT
I didn't do enough due diligence.. apparently they are NOT going to be true to the originals and therefore more likely just Windless budget end knock offs. These are exact replicas made from measurements taken personally by Matt Easton. In what way are these not going to be true to the originals? In what way are these knock offs? They will not be given proper sword edges/sharpened. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2022 16:49:28 GMT
I got a little emotional for a minute and feel bad about it. I thought there must be some explanation. I assume that the roll out of this line will not be perfect. What I want to see is Windlass/Easton et al. take our feedback and make adjustments as needed.
This message from Matt is encouraging. The first batch may not be perfect, but I am already seeing a willingness to make corrections.
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Post by pellius on Oct 7, 2022 16:59:58 GMT
I got a little emotional for a minute and feel bad about it. I thought there must be some explanation. I assume that the roll out of this line will not be perfect. What I want to see is Windlass/Easton et al. take our feedback and make adjustments as needed. This message from Matt is encouraging. The first batch may not be perfect, but I am already seeing a willingness to make corrections. The Kingston Arms / Angus Trim collab went thru similar early issues, too. I hope Windlass lives up to the promise of this line. Dare I also hope they learn and incorporate the will and skill to faithfully reproduce other historical swords? Looking at you, ANXI and 1822 heavy cav! |
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Post by Kane Shen on Oct 7, 2022 17:09:18 GMT
They aim to be 1:1 replicas but on some models there are some minor discrepancies. For example the Wakefield Hanger’s fuller is much narrower than the original. It is clear as day on MRL’s first comparison photo of the product page. Other discrepancies can be explained away by stating that the surviving example might have suffered some material loss. That much narrower fuller can hardly be explained away other than the lack of attention to detail though. Speaking of that… Did they just flat out attach the nagel upside down? Yikes. I’m out, even if prices were cut in half. I noticed that too. It’s an odd one, unless Matt Easton or the RA curators have reasons to believe that originally the nagel on that sword used to be upswept instead of downturned. |
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Oct 7, 2022 17:12:52 GMT
So is it me, or does the oval on the Arming sword just scream 'EYE OF SAURON'? It needs bedazzled. And who's to say the original wasn't? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2022 17:22:58 GMT
Speaking of that… Did they just flat out attach the nagel upside down? Yikes. I’m out, even if prices were cut in half. I noticed that too. It’s an odd one, unless Matt Easton or the RA curators have reasons to believe that originally the nagel on that sword used to be upswept instead of downturned. That's precisely why I reached out to Matt, and I'm grateful he replied. |
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