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Post by tera on Aug 18, 2021 17:04:53 GMT
Since I gave a sampler of AI generated text and the ability to simulate such text being spoken by someone else with enough sample audio/video, let's have some fun in the physical world.
Yes, these exist NOW. The quadruped model, "Spot", can outrun a human.
Speaking of Spot, some of those models have been used in Hawaii to do scan the homeless population for temperatures (Covid screening) and record images of their eyes for identification. The actual article on this is, I feel, too political so I won't post a link here.
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Post by roth on Aug 18, 2021 19:17:41 GMT
Technology has steadily advanced since the first hominin picked up a rock to use as a tool, and it will continue to advance until humans become a fully cybernetic species, able to send and receive information directly from each other's minds via electromagnetic signals. Eventually technology will advance beyond even that, and reach levels that are incomprehensible to us. Either that or we'll all go extinct in the next twenty years. I'd rather die than live in a world where everybody can read my mind. But that's just me...old school. I'm not going to criticize anybody who disagrees.
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Post by Paul Muad’Dib on Aug 18, 2021 20:11:20 GMT
Since I gave a sampler of AI generated text and the ability to simulate such text being spoken by someone else with enough sample audio/video, let's have some fun in the physical world. Yes, these exist NOW. The quadruped model, "Spot", can outrun a human. Speaking of Spot, some of those models have been used in Hawaii to do scan the homeless population for temperatures (Covid screening) and record images of their eyes for identification. The actual article on this is, I feel, too political so I won't post a link here. Sixty Minutes had a segment on this company and its founder two weeks ago. Very cool stuff. And those guys can dance WAY better than me.
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Post by RambleTree on Aug 18, 2021 20:21:30 GMT
Paul Muad’Dib Butlerian 'crusade' time! (funny how they changed the original term for the new film - but not surprising)
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Post by Paul Muad’Dib on Aug 18, 2021 21:16:42 GMT
Paul Muad’Dib Butlerian 'crusade' time! (funny how they changed the original term for the new film - but not surprising) The only things I know about the film I learn on here so hadn’t heard that. Really don’t want to know much except when it’s coming out. I’m waiting so it can be the first movie I see at the theater after COVID.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2021 4:51:11 GMT
Improved artificial intelligence and now these things. Terminators are not too far off now. Time to break out the heavy munitions and directed energy weapons.
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Post by RambleTree on Aug 19, 2021 14:01:33 GMT
All this is reminding me of an idea I had for a Cyberpunk novel/setting a while ago: Sci vs. Psy theme. Tech, AI, surveillance has become so pervasive that a rebel group emerges developing actual psionic, metaphysical, etc. abilities. The abilities are directed at countering tech and 'the system'. They battle for the fate of humanity, etc.
That's sort of a basic premise of Dune (development of Bene Gesserit, etc.) and plenty of other settings - but I'm thinking present day/near future.
The Ghost in the Shell franchise is a great exploration of technology/philosophy/humanity - and fun to watch. Especially the Stand Alone Complex continuity.
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Post by roth on Aug 20, 2021 1:16:35 GMT
Improved artificial intelligence and now these things. Terminators are not too far off now. Time to break out the heavy munitions and directed energy weapons. It reminds me of the line from the kid in one of the terminator movies when he realized technology has come too far... "We're not going to make it are we?" Actually this thread was inspired by car shopping. I hate all these luxuries that they call neccessities. Oh well, my wife always drives the newer car and she likes most of that stuff. I just hate it when computers tell me what to do as if they are my boss and not vise versa.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 4:02:43 GMT
Improved artificial intelligence and now these things. Terminators are not too far off now. Time to break out the heavy munitions and directed energy weapons. It reminds me of the line from the kid in one of the terminator movies when he realized technology has come too far... "We're not going to make it are we?" Actually this thread was inspired by car shopping. I hate all these luxuries that they call neccessities. Oh well, my wife always drives the newer car and she likes most of that stuff. I just hate it when computers tell me what to do as if they are my boss and not vise versa. Yeah. I like the cars that I had in the 1990s. Noting fancy. No computer gizmos. Just the mechanical stuff and safety belts. That was nice.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Aug 20, 2021 12:10:59 GMT
Technology has steadily advanced since the first hominin picked up a rock to use as a tool, and it will continue to advance until humans become a fully cybernetic species, able to send and receive information directly from each other's minds via electromagnetic signals. Eventually technology will advance beyond even that, and reach levels that are incomprehensible to us. Either that or we'll all go extinct in the next twenty years. That is more or less my position on this. I am personally in favor of transhumanism. I think integrating with our technology, our tools, will be what ultimately saves us from our short sighted and self destructive natures. We still don't know the limits of our neuroplasticity, but all signs currently point to the likelihood of ready adoption and internalization of extra-corporeal sensory devices and direct neural/machine interfaces.
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Post by tera on Aug 20, 2021 16:55:36 GMT
Neural interfaces have, within a narrow scope, already been deployed and with some success. Ruch Limbaugh (no politics, guys) recieved a cochlear implant 20 years ago. He had gone completely deaf, so this type of invasive measure was necessary. The devices made direct connection with nerves inside the skull and were progressively trained to produce electrical stimulus that he could discern as speech and some other sounds. He stated the experience was nothing like his natural hearing, but it was still an impressive thing for a celebrity radio host to regain that much auditory function with such a system. leader.pubs.asha.org/doi/full/10.1044/leader.FTR2.07012002.1#:~:text=After%20losing%20all%20of%20his,a%20cochlear%20implant%20on%20Dec.&text=Publicity%20following%20the%20implant%20clarified,team%20members%20beyond%20the%20physicians. More recently, thanks to Big Data and the advances in AI we have been able to create prostheses that are controlled by brain activity. Those have been around for a few years even. The more interesting step are mind controlled prostheses that are connected to muscle, bone, and nerves and can be trained to generate sensations of touch from the prosthetic limb. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200430110321.htmThe visual cortex is trickier. By a lot. But, we are still making advances in artificial sight. It is not inconceivable that, eventually, data could be added to the visual imput, allowing you to video conference with people, having their image presented with your mind alone. Or, we could have the most obnoxious pop-up ads in history. As an aside, anybody else a fan of the traditionally animated Ghost in the Shell Anime series?
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Aug 20, 2021 18:09:18 GMT
Neural interfaces have, within a narrow scope, already been deployed and with some success. Ruch Limbaugh (no politics, guys) recieved a cochlear implant 20 years ago. He had gone completely deaf, so this type of invasive measure was necessary. The devices made direct connection with nerves inside the skull and were progressively trained to produce electrical stimulus that he could discern as speech and some other sounds. He stated the experience was nothing like his natural hearing, but it was still an impressive thing for a celebrity radio host to regain that much auditory function with such a system. leader.pubs.asha.org/doi/full/10.1044/leader.FTR2.07012002.1#:~:text=After%20losing%20all%20of%20his,a%20cochlear%20implant%20on%20Dec.&text=Publicity%20following%20the%20implant%20clarified,team%20members%20beyond%20the%20physicians. More recently, thanks to Big Data and the advances in AI we have been able to create prostheses that are controlled by brain activity. Those have been around for a few years even. The more interesting step are mind controlled prostheses that are connected to muscle, bone, and nerves and can be trained to generate sensations of touch from the prosthetic limb. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200430110321.htmThe visual cortex is trickier. By a lot. But, we are still making advances in artificial sight. It is not inconceivable that, eventually, data could be added to the visual imput, allowing you to video conference with people, having their image presented with your mind alone. Or, we could have the most obnoxious pop-up ads in history. As an aside, anybody else a fan of the traditionally animated Ghost in the Shell Anime series? I'm a fan of most of Masamune Shirow's manga work, and the various translations of it to other forms of media (e.g. anime). GITS is a particular favorite of mine, and it definitely plays into my tendencies toward dark cyberpunk and military tech fetishism. SAC (and 2nd GIG) are particular favorites of mine.
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Post by roth on Aug 22, 2021 0:54:03 GMT
Yeah. I like the cars that I had in the 1990s. Noting fancy. No computer gizmos. Just the mechanical stuff and safety belts. That was nice. The key for our new car will cost $600 if we ever have to replace it. I bought an entire car for $500 when I was younger. I get it.....everything was less, including wages....but it is still funny ( and sad) when you think about it. By the way, I got 2 years out of the car and sold it for $400.
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Post by tera on Aug 22, 2021 2:42:46 GMT
What model are you looking at? Most of they keyless/push-to-start fobs are grossly overpriced by dealers. You can often come by an aftrrmarket fob and they'd "only" charge to program it, or you might be lucky enough to have aftermarket fob and programmer modules available. Completely random example: www.amazon.com/Dorman-99389-Keyless-Transmitter-Select/dp/B07Y2LGGPS/ref=asc_df_B07Y2LGGPS/I use an OBD2 reader for my old and quite used car for diagnostics. I noticed a warning light and some worrying symptoms. I did my diagnostic, then took it to a shop. They said it was "probably" a bad spark plug but they would have to replace all of them to be sure, and may replace some other things, too. I acted surprised, then said, "Huh... the computer says it is registering misfiring on cylinder six. Does your equipment not get that level of detailed information?" Long story short, I had a different shop replace all the plugs (cheaper to do them all at once anyway, I knew that) but these guys were honest and asked an honest price, unlike the first crew. That little reader has saved me a lot of money.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2021 5:57:12 GMT
I also do not trust these self driving vehicles. I am actually surprised that they have not had any accidents yet due to technical errors.
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Post by tera on Aug 24, 2021 17:14:33 GMT
I don't know what Tesla's development cycles looked like, but training AI for self-driving vehicles inside of games has been an academic challenge/personal hobby for many people for years: alzaibkarovalia.medium.com/building-a-self-driving-vehicle-in-gta-v-using-deep-learning-and-convolutional-neural-network-696b38b4c81eOf course, so far we are deploying the real-world things in more or less ideal conditions. Put them on the busy streets of Rome or any congested city in India and it may become so decision-locked it defaults to not moving at all. Of course, there actually are cases of self-driving vehicles crashing in the real world. Some involving fatalities. In almost every case I read, the driver was either sleeping or otherwise not fit to provide the emergency override input when needed. Civilian available self-driving cars aren't meant to be FULLY autonomous, the human is expected to be observant and intervene as needed. The latter raises two points (I won't call these well-formed hypotheses) about automated vehicles in my mind. 1) In theory, the more self-driving vehicles on the road the safer it will be as there will be less human unpredictability in the system. Indeed, if they all connect to a centralized computer to share their intended destinations some traffic could be rerouted so everyone arrives where they want to be sooner than if humans created a traffic jam. Likewise, they could coordinate better to ensure clear passage for Police, Fire, and EMS response, saving lives. 2) There are always edge-cases. A ball bounces into a street, something falls off the back of a truck, a sensor goes out and the AI no longer has sufficient data to navigate safely. In these cases, having an attentive human on standby is crucial. However, the closer we get to full adoption of an organized system as described in point 1, the less time people will log actually controlling a vehicle. Wouldn't we then be falling back to inexperience drivers in an emergency? They may over-react or, more likely, fail to react in time from surprise. Taking control of the wheel or hitting the breaks may feel so alien they may not be first reflex. 3) There will be non-zero-sum scenarios. You will have situations where an accident is inevitable, and the AI units must make decisions. Say you have an AI car, followed by a human on a motorcycle, followed by yourself in an AI van with your family including young kids. In opposing traffic are several AI cars and vans, on the other side is the cliff on this mountain road. Some sudden obstruction occurs in front of the car in your lane. Because of how the human has been erratically handling the motorcycle, you cannot stop in your AI van lane without hitting him with great force, with near certainty of causing his death and minor risk to your family. In the other lane there happens to be another AI van with a full family. Both AI vans could break, with a planned head-on collision that has a high probability of injuring all parties but a much lower possibility of fatalities, thusnsaving the motocyclist. The only other option is to go over the cliff's edge, with a high probability of fatalities in your family but still a possibility of injured survivors. Does the AI prioritize life over death, causing the two vans to collide and potentially causeb life-long injuries to two entire families? Does minimizing casualties take priority and the van plow under the human motorcyclist to remove the other van from the equation? Does the AI try to minimize AI caused injuries/fatalities against humans operatingnnon-AI vehicles and have your family take it's chances over the cliff? These sorts of things are open questions in AI research. Of course, AI does not work like a human mind and cannot make moral judgements. They weight probabilities and compare them against their goals. HOW those goals are defined by the programmers can have tremendous and, often, unintended consequences. Here's an old video about problems with (currently only theoretical) Generalized AI:
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Post by Paul Muad’Dib on Aug 24, 2021 18:22:42 GMT
tera, your point about ai calculating the probabilities in a possible car wreck reminds me of the movie ‘I, Robot’ with Will Smith. The flashback scene where the robot saves him instead of the little girl since it figure his odds were better than hers. And i also like your point about drivers becoming less experienced with time after depending on the ai. And a friend of mine showed me a fairly recent news story about two people that died in an ai operated car. They had been drinking and were asleep and the car ran into a pole/tree (don’t remember) and caught on fire. One can hope they hadn’t bred yet and therefore are eligible for the Darwin Award.
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Post by tera on Aug 24, 2021 18:31:08 GMT
I highly recommend Isaac Asimov's Robot Series, to include most especially the Foundation series (they exist in the same universe, over tens of millennia of human history). What his version of "AI" does while interacting with humanity over that time is fascinating, if entirely out of line with how contemporary AI actually works.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 4:25:42 GMT
My issue is that the AI can be hacked. They can even fail. Who writes the AI programs? Humans. How perfect are humans? Not even ten percent there. Also, AI driven vehicles put humans out of work. AI flown aircraft put humans out of work. AI controlled machines put humans out of work. The more automation spreads the more jobs are taken from humans. That is the way I see it.
I am not against machines that help humans do their jobs easier. I just have an issue with them replacing humans.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Aug 25, 2021 11:44:18 GMT
My issue is that the AI can be hacked. They can even fail. Who writes the AI programs? Humans. How perfect are humans? Not even ten percent there. Also, AI driven vehicles put humans out of work. AI flown aircraft put humans out of work. AI controlled machines put humans out of work. The more automation spreads the more jobs are taken from humans. That is the way I see it. I am not against machines that help humans do their jobs easier. I just have an issue with them replacing humans. You can't stop progress. These things are in the process of happening. Machines will take over in every capacity where it is effective to do so. If this rubs you the wrong way...well I suggest you consider the application of liberal amounts of lubricant.
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