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Post by roth on Aug 13, 2021 4:09:10 GMT
I'll admit it right off the bat. I'm on the internet, using an electronic tablet and complaining about technology so I am a hypocrite. Okay, now that's out of the way....If a person wants to buy a refrigerator with cameras in it so they can "look" in the fridge on their phone while grocery shopping, I'm happy that they have the freedom to buy that kind of fridge, even though I wouldn't buy it. Someday, though, we won't be able to buy a refrigerator that doesn't have cameras in it. That will mean that low-tech folks like me will be forced to pay for these "smart" refrigerators because there will be no dumb ones....and we will have to buy cameras that we will never use. What kind of stupid idiot buys something that they know they won't use?....me in the future if I like cold food. I'm happy that people have the freedom to choose but technology will take those choices away in the future. I get it....this is free market capitalism and is based on supply and demand and people are demanding technology.....just look at all the "necessities" that used to be called luxuries in cars. I guess I'm just becoming an old fart who thinks society is getting too soft. If cavemen didn't have it, then it is a luxury.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 4:15:13 GMT
I agree on most of your points, except the cave man part. I feel a caveman would find modern people foolish for romanticizing his life style 😂 I like to think the colonial era was the peak of necessity 😎
Everything is getting "smart" just because they can make it smart, but they never as IF they should. Soon toilets will have cameras, and when that day comes, I'm reverting back to the good ol hole in the ground technique
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 7:36:30 GMT
I agree on most of your points, except the cave man part. I feel a caveman would find modern people foolish for romanticizing his life style 😂 I like to think the colonial era was the peak of necessity 😎 Everything is getting "smart" just because they can make it smart, but they never as IF they should. Soon toilets will have cameras, and when that day comes, I'm reverting back to the good ol hole in the ground technique In some areas I do agree that technology needs to step several miles back. Such technology that puts people out of work is too much. However, some technology, like computers, tablets and smart phones have helped people do their jobs quicker and in some ways easier. Gaming system technology has greatly improved video games far beyond what I thought would be possible in the 1980s and 1990s. I love that. That is my opinion and I am sticking to it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 10:06:11 GMT
I agree on most of your points, except the cave man part. I feel a caveman would find modern people foolish for romanticizing his life style 😂 I like to think the colonial era was the peak of necessity 😎 Everything is getting "smart" just because they can make it smart, but they never as IF they should. Soon toilets will have cameras, and when that day comes, I'm reverting back to the good ol hole in the ground technique In some areas I do agree that technology needs to step several miles back. Such technology that puts people out of work is too much. However, some technology, like computers, tablets and smart phones have helped people do their jobs quicker and in some ways easier. Gaming system technology has greatly improved video games far beyond what I thought would be possible in the 1980s and 1990s. I love that. That is my opinion and I am sticking to it. Yea I'm enjoying the heck out of my smart phone tbh. I like being on this website and not having to sit at a computer. I can check it in bed when I muster the strength to get up
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Post by perignum on Aug 13, 2021 10:24:43 GMT
I really think people romanticise the past to a huge degree and tend to see 'technology' as the demon that destroyed some bucolic idyll.
For the most part, human history was pretty labour intensive. Lives were short and grim and full of physical pain and illness. A lot of the historical giants that people mention on these forums died very young of eminently curable disease.
I imagine if you could zip back in time and offer to swap our First World existence, with its myriad niggly problems, with the life of a medieval peasant with its injustices, starvation, sickness and back-breaking effort, I'd say the peasant would take your hand off.
It's akin to looking at the most under-developed and disease-stricken parts of 21st Century earth and getting all misty-eyed about their simple, rustic existence. Without technology, life for most people is a very short stint in a very nasty hellhole.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 15:18:34 GMT
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Post by RufusScorpius on Aug 13, 2021 15:19:29 GMT
I am a minimalist by nature. Of course I am using technology, but I don't feel that it needs to permeate all aspects of my existence. My refrigerator makes things cold: that's it. My air conditioner does the same. I feel no need to have updates from either appliance sent to my phone every hour.
I like spending time in the woods with nothing around me but trees and nature. It's good to get away from it all from time to time and just do nothing but look at nature. Yes, sometimes (most times actually) I fantasize about walking off into the wilderness and living like my ancestors. I long to wash the stink of civilization off me. But then I realize that having a grocery store and a hospital nearby is a nice thing. So poof goes the fantasy.
I do think we can live simply and use technology sparingly. Finding that balance is the conundrum.
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Post by Paul Muad’Dib on Aug 13, 2021 15:56:38 GMT
Roth, welcome to the old farts club.
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Post by roth on Aug 13, 2021 17:21:57 GMT
Thanks for the responses. I love the low tech lifestyle. I've never owned a cell phone or even credit or atm card and am a bit angered that society is making these things "neccessities". (My wife has them so don't ask how I book a hotel). All this talk of an all-digital economy is something I find especially troubling. Kids being born today might have every penny they spend their whole life recorded in an eternal cloud. I doubt they will care. Today's youth put every thought and emotion they have on their devices so why not everything they buy? When you mention privacy to them, they look at you like you have an extra eye on your forehead and say "you shouldn't need privacy if you aren't doing anything illegal". They respond the same way when I mention that I don't want a smart TV that has a camera on it that is looking at me. Then of course they start to explain the benefits of technology, as if I didn't know them. The bottom line is that for every technological advancement, comes a negative. A sword is a great thing to defend yourself with but you can also get killed by one. Nuclear energy can power the world but nuclear bombs can destroy it. A car gets you around but we all know a lot of people who have died because of them (not the fault of the car....just like technology itself isn't to blame). Sure, technology has helped us....A LOT. But no caveman ever developed a bomb or a germ that could kill us all...and no medieval scientist ever discovered a way to wage a cyberwar that would turn us into Mad Max. Oh well, at least I'll have a sword if I run out of ammo...and thankfully it is not a smart sword. My grandmother had a quote she often used. I should have asked her if it came out after the first nuclear weapons were used but I'll never know where she got it... We're so smart, we're stupid.
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Post by skelley on Aug 13, 2021 21:55:59 GMT
Hey Roth, I was watching the Netflix movie The Mitchells Vs. the Machines and there is a scene in it you would probably love. Spoilers if any one cares... So during the robot apocalypse the family find themselves in the mall to do some world saving and all the appliances and toys with the big tech company's chip are attacking them and trying to stop them of course. The dad, who is an outdoors man and nature lover with an aversion to technology, tells the family to get weapons and he grabs a tennis racket... which has a chip and proceeds to pound him in the head repeatedly as he yells out something like " why does a tennis racket have a microchip?!". Got a good laugh out of that one.
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Post by roth on Aug 14, 2021 0:59:07 GMT
Hey Roth, I was watching the Netflix movie T he Mitchells Vs. the Machines and there is a scene in it you would probably love. Spoilers if any one cares... So during the robot apocalypse the family find themselves in the mall to do some world saving and all the appliances and toys with the big tech company's chip are attacking them and trying to stop them of course. The dad, who is an outdoors man and nature lover with an aversion to technology, tells the family to get weapons and he grabs a tennis racket... which has a chip and proceeds to pound him in the head repeatedly as he yells out something like " why does a tennis racket have a microchip?!". Got a good laugh out of that one. That's pretty funny. Even I am not concerned enough to think that tennis rackets or swords will get microchips but who knows. There was a point where nobody envisioned electricity. There was a time when nobody envisioned an electric refrigerator. There was a time when nobody envisioned cameras in electric refrigerators. I'm not envisioning smart tennis rackets or swords but I've also learned to never underestimate what humans can do with technology. When we start putting chips in people (it's actually already begun) are we going to call them smart? If you refuse the chip you will certainly be called dumb. I don't think the government will force people to get chipped in my lifetime but it will happen eventually. Of course it will start out with good intentions, to monitor criminals or dementia patients. If you have a chip in your dog for protection why wouldn't you want one in your kids?
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Post by RufusScorpius on Aug 14, 2021 1:14:47 GMT
... I don't think the government will force people to get chipped in my lifetime but it will happen eventually. Of course it will start out with good intentions, to monitor criminals or dementia patients. If you have a chip in your dog for protection why wouldn't you want one in your kids?
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Post by howler on Aug 14, 2021 1:48:13 GMT
... I don't think the government will force people to get chipped in my lifetime but it will happen eventually. Of course it will start out with good intentions, to monitor criminals or dementia patients. If you have a chip in your dog for protection why wouldn't you want one in your kids? And the chips will offer all type of cool gizmos to attract willing (and paying) participants.
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Post by joe_meadmaker on Aug 14, 2021 2:38:48 GMT
And the chips will offer all type of cool gizmos to attract willing (and paying) participants. +1 to this. I don't think anything will need to be forced. Everyone is happy and willing to carry around a smartphone that constantly keeps tabs on our location and activities. They just need to make a chip that will allow someone to interface with their phone without having to touch it (or remove the need for it entirely) and people will be all over it.
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Post by LeMal on Aug 14, 2021 2:49:24 GMT
It's perfectly possible--and I think laudable--to be both a minimalist that enjoys human basics on everyday and mundane things, and yet be a science nerd who loves the cutting edge. In fact a couple decades ago, I and a few colleagues coined the term "TeLu," or "technophile luddite," for it.
The kind of person who eschews the latest home shopping network kitchen gadget or mostly redundant smartphone app for what can be done old school--but is excited about actual researchers developing quantum computers or deep sea or solar system exploration or unraveling genetics and epigenetics.
In fact, part of how the term got coined, we might wonder whether humanity has wasted a lot of money, resources and attention on commercializing ultimately trivial advances to sell everywhere, when instead we'd often be better off with most of us enjoying the woods in a tent a lot more... looking up and knowing that we're simultaneously farther out among the stars.
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Post by perignum on Aug 14, 2021 7:07:28 GMT
It's perfectly possible--and I think laudable--to be both a minimalist that enjoys human basics on everyday and mundane things, and yet be a science nerd who loves the cutting edge. In fact a couple decades ago, I and a few colleagues coined the term "TeLu," or "technophile luddite," for it. The kind of person who eschews the latest home shopping network kitchen gadget or mostly redundant smartphone app for what can be done old school--but is excited about actual researchers developing quantum computers or deep sea or solar system exploration or unraveling genetics and epigenetics. In fact, part of how the term got coined, we might wonder whether humanity has wasted a lot of money, resources and attention on commercializing ultimately trivial advances to sell everywhere, when instead we'd often be better off with most of us enjoying the woods in a tent a lot more... looking up and knowing that we're simultaneously farther out among the stars. This is me. I don't even have a Facebook or Instagram account. I don't see the point. But I'm also excited by scientific progress in useful, practical areas. The fluff and 'entertainment' aspect of things just doesn't flick my switch. If you guys haven't seen it yet, watch Black Mirror. It's a series of one-hour shows dealing with exactly the sort of stuff we're talking about.
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Post by skelley on Aug 14, 2021 17:08:11 GMT
It's perfectly possible--and I think laudable--to be both a minimalist that enjoys human basics on everyday and mundane things, and yet be a science nerd who loves the cutting edge. In fact a couple decades ago, I and a few colleagues coined the term "TeLu," or "technophile luddite," for it. The kind of person who eschews the latest home shopping network kitchen gadget or mostly redundant smartphone app for what can be done old school--but is excited about actual researchers developing quantum computers or deep sea or solar system exploration or unraveling genetics and epigenetics. In fact, part of how the term got coined, we might wonder whether humanity has wasted a lot of money, resources and attention on commercializing ultimately trivial advances to sell everywhere, when instead we'd often be better off with most of us enjoying the woods in a tent a lot more... looking up and knowing that we're simultaneously farther out among the stars. This is me. I don't even have a Facebook or Instagram account. I don't see the point. But I'm also excited by scientific progress in useful, practical areas. The fluff and 'entertainment' aspect of things just doesn't flick my switch. If you guys haven't seen it yet, watch Black Mirror. It's a series of one-hour shows dealing with exactly the sort of stuff we're talking about. In the same boat as you really, I have a Reddit account because you can find interesting things on there and WhatsApp to keep in touch with my sister abroad but that's it. I just never really cared about any of it. Not a lot of friends outside of work and most of my family gets together multiple times a year so Ill talk to them then. I just really get annoyed sometimes with the hyper-capitalist and consumerist nature of technology even thought I fall for the honey trap sometimes. Quick question since some here have a science background. I don't have any real trepidation about an "over teched" society, if you will allow that kind of phrasing, but I often wonder about sustainability since so much tech requires rare and precious metals. Is that something to worry about down the line or just needless fear-mongering?
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Post by legacyofthesword on Aug 16, 2021 2:32:02 GMT
Technology has steadily advanced since the first hominin picked up a rock to use as a tool, and it will continue to advance until humans become a fully cybernetic species, able to send and receive information directly from each other's minds via electromagnetic signals. Eventually technology will advance beyond even that, and reach levels that are incomprehensible to us.
Either that or we'll all go extinct in the next twenty years.
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