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Post by Zen_Hydra on May 27, 2021 13:47:11 GMT
Everyone is WRONG. We've all gotten the Umbrella Corp vaccine, so we'd be the zombies. So how do we take out swordsmen? My vote: Moan loudly in a group and trap them in an alley. Swarm them with numbers. Considering the amount of "vaccine" I have received since February, I am probably due to become a tyrant-class asset. My recent emergency hospitalization was quite possibly an effort to keep me from prematurely going all betentacled abomination.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on May 27, 2021 14:46:13 GMT
*humbly bows to boss monster*
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Post by Lord Newport on May 27, 2021 14:55:15 GMT
Everyone is WRONG. We've all gotten the Umbrella Corp vaccine, so we'd be the zombies. So how do we take out swordsmen? My vote: Moan loudly in a group and trap them in an alley. Swarm them with numbers. Considering the amount of "vaccine" I have received since February, I am probably due to become a tyrant-class asset. My recent emergency hospitalization was quite possibly an effort to keep me from prematurely going all betentacled abomination. Alpha zombie....
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Post by treeslicer on May 27, 2021 16:08:56 GMT
Everyone is WRONG. We've all gotten the Umbrella Corp vaccine, so we'd be the zombies. So how do we take out swordsmen? My vote: Moan loudly in a group and trap them in an alley. Swarm them with numbers. Considering the amount of "vaccine" I have received since February, I am probably due to become a tyrant-class asset. My recent emergency hospitalization was quite possibly an effort to keep me from prematurely going all betentacled abomination. The vaccine might be superfluous. Aren't you from an old Innsmouth family, anyway?
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Post by Zen_Hydra on May 27, 2021 17:32:13 GMT
Considering the amount of "vaccine" I have received since February, I am probably due to become a tyrant-class asset. My recent emergency hospitalization was quite possibly an effort to keep me from prematurely going all betentacled abomination. The vaccine might be superfluous. Aren't you from an old Innsmouth family, anyway? There's something fishy about your implication.
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Post by Owlski on May 27, 2021 18:03:50 GMT
Your looking at this as if you are the only person out there, trying to get to another point. One, if you have to travel a distance you go in a group. Firearms are your best option and all members should have at least one plus melee weapons. In a place where you aren't allowed guns or ammo has run out, then every one in the group should have a spear. You are looking to destroy the zombies and only looking to avoid when it's a horde. The spears or other pole arms (including mundane things like pitchforks) are used to control the zombie. Two party members control the zombie while a third steps in and finishes it off with a mace, hammer, machete etc. Party size is important, the idea of going out there alone is sheer stupidity or desperation. When you have to travel through a high concentration of zombies you use your terrain to slow them down so they can only attack one at a time. Dispatch them one at a time and move on. Groups definitely can help, but I'd think too big of a group would be a detriment. I'd say if traveling on foot no more than 5 people per squad max, as more people means more trouble being quiet sneaking around potential hordes, more resources needed (mouths to feed, medical for any injuries, etc), and you'd have to fully trust everyone in that group, as it only takes on selfish individual to either steal the groups supplies and dip, or worse. As for firearms; I'd say they definitely have their use, but I'd avoid using unless needed. Gunfire doesn't only attract zombies. Everyone is WRONG. We've all gotten the Umbrella Corp vaccine, so we'd be the zombies. So how do we take out swordsmen? My vote: Moan loudly in a group and trap them in an alley. Swarm them with numbers. Sure, if that's the same Umbrella strain that turns us into bullet dodging Weskers. Not sure how I feel about majority of them though turning me into grotesque mutated flesh monsters though~
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 21:50:08 GMT
I know this doesn't really answer your question, but; If you had a sword, spear, and a shield, don't underestimate the shield. A lot of times (especially in modern media) shields are only seen as a defensive tool, but it can (and has) been used quite offensively too. If you only got a shield left, I wouldn't be reaching for something on the ground in the middle of that zombie fight, but using the shield directly to make an opening to get the hell out of dodge to live another day. Not sure if smashing a zombies cranium with the lip of a shield would be enough to damage their brain, but I'd definitely use the facing side to create distance enough between me and them. Truth be told; I'd never personally want to use any melee that gets me within arms reach of a zombies grab (would just be too risky), so machete's and kukri's (whilst excellent choppers) wouldn't be my go to. Also gotta remember that the effort taken to constantly remove the (now) wedged blade in the zombies skull would deem quite taxing, and (in a horde situation) may get you killed. So as much as I would love to use swords against some zombies, I'd probably opt to go with a longer blunt weapon or a spear, unless I knew I could trust my blade to reliably take a head clean off (which I know I couldn't reliably do 100% of the time). In the end; Would only take one bite. No "It's just a flesh wound" here. :s Excellent point to be honest. Even if you weapon breaks, it wouldn't be as bad to have a nice heavy shield to ram through em at least, or to use as a melee. In that regard, would you prefer a Rotella or buckler? I'm guessing a viking shield, or at least a Greek/spartan shield, is preferable, but say those were the options As for being close, I too would prioritize avoiding in arms reach, but in case I was, I would be equipped that one zombie couldn't do much against me, so that being pulled in close with a Kukri would be an advantage for you rather than it. Just let it do its thing as you go to town with the Kukri. A Kukri specifically. And specially my EGKH. Though my condor is a nice balance of machete and knife enough as well
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 21:54:02 GMT
Your looking at this as if you are the only person out there, trying to get to another point. One, if you have to travel a distance you go in a group. Firearms are your best option and all members should have at least one plus melee weapons. In a place where you aren't allowed guns or ammo has run out, then every one in the group should have a spear. You are looking to destroy the zombies and only looking to avoid when it's a horde. The spears or other pole arms (including mundane things like pitchforks) are used to control the zombie. Two party members control the zombie while a third steps in and finishes it off with a mace, hammer, machete etc. Party size is important, the idea of going out there alone is sheer stupidity or desperation. When you have to travel through a high concentration of zombies you use your terrain to slow them down so they can only attack one at a time. Dispatch them one at a time and move on. Yea this is exactly what I'm hoping for tbh lol. I can't even find me a player 2 for this stuff, sadly. No one who wants to train or equip, even just for exercise and a hobby (even just sparring, doesn't gotta be zombie related). But just in case I been collecting stuff anyway. I'm like a kid alone at a birthday if a zombie apocalypse happens lol. And if my buddies decided to come this way knowing I got a bunch of stuff, they ain't got no training and will probably want stuff that requires a bunch of training, like my long swords.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 21:55:39 GMT
Everyone is WRONG. We've all gotten the Umbrella Corp vaccine, so we'd be the zombies. So how do we take out swordsmen? My vote: Moan loudly in a group and trap them in an alley. Swarm them with numbers. Tho I ain't got a team, you just inspired me to be the most badass zombie ever, since I can't make a survivor team haha
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Post by pgandy on May 27, 2021 22:17:06 GMT
I consider my shield as important as my sword, or whatever else I choose. I prefer my shield to my buckler because of its size, 23". At 5# it's as fast and almost as nimble as my buckler. I have no objection to my buckler though. I can deliver a thrust using the rim of either, the shield is better, simultaneously with a sword thrust if the opportunity presents. Don't underestimate a shield.
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Post by Owlski on May 28, 2021 0:50:10 GMT
Excellent point to be honest. Even if you weapon breaks, it wouldn't be as bad to have a nice heavy shield to ram through em at least, or to use as a melee. In that regard, would you prefer a Rotella or buckler? I'm guessing a viking shield, or at least a Greek/spartan shield, is preferable, but say those were the options As for being close, I too would prioritize avoiding in arms reach, but in case I was, I would be equipped that one zombie couldn't do much against me, so that being pulled in close with a Kukri would be an advantage for you rather than it. Just let it do its thing as you go to town with the Kukri. A Kukri specifically. And specially my EGKH. Though my condor is a nice balance of machete and knife enough as well Between a rotella or buckler against zombie(s) I'd probably go for the rotella, or some variation of it. While I'd hate to lug around a larger shield everywhere I go, I'd want as much surface area between me and a potential bite if/when I had to use the shield in closer proximity. I'd be sure to at least wear some form of padded protection (especially around the arms. In the end; I actually think as time progresses through this apocalyptical scenario that zombies would become less of a threat compared to other humans. Zombies (if going by the mindless type) probably function on a very basic predatory manner, so they should exhibit predictable behavioral patterns that you could easily exploit. This also isn't the movies, so probably wouldn't have to worry about those random "ninja" zombies that somehow just appear out of thin air behind someone, without making a sound. Edit: I should also add that I'd prefer the buckler in most other scenarios, and if I got more comfortable/confidant fighting the undead I may end up using the buckler just for the smaller size, so I'm more agile whilst using it.
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Post by Lord Newport on May 28, 2021 2:29:54 GMT
The real solution is move to a region of the country where temperatures get below freezing in the winter. The zombies will freeze r at least slow down considerably and can be walked up to while frozen and immobile and have their heads caved in with blunt force trauma weapons.
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Post by Owlski on May 29, 2021 2:35:43 GMT
The real solution is move to a region of the country where temperatures get below freezing in the winter. The zombies will freeze r at least slow down considerably and can be walked up to while frozen and immobile and have their heads caved in with blunt force trauma weapons. That's pretty smart, though I've always wondered how in these zombie scenarios the walking dead always manage to find a way migrate towards the living, no matter how far. Zombies got bloodhound noses or something, haha.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2021 3:15:48 GMT
Excellent point to be honest. Even if you weapon breaks, it wouldn't be as bad to have a nice heavy shield to ram through em at least, or to use as a melee. In that regard, would you prefer a Rotella or buckler? I'm guessing a viking shield, or at least a Greek/spartan shield, is preferable, but say those were the options As for being close, I too would prioritize avoiding in arms reach, but in case I was, I would be equipped that one zombie couldn't do much against me, so that being pulled in close with a Kukri would be an advantage for you rather than it. Just let it do its thing as you go to town with the Kukri. A Kukri specifically. And specially my EGKH. Though my condor is a nice balance of machete and knife enough as well Between a rotella or buckler against zombie(s) I'd probably go for the rotella, or some variation of it. While I'd hate to lug around a larger shield everywhere I go, I'd want as much surface area between me and a potential bite if/when I had to use the shield in closer proximity. I'd be sure to at least wear some form of padded protection (especially around the arms. In the end; I actually think as time progresses through this apocalyptical scenario that zombies would become less of a threat compared to other humans. Zombies (if going by the mindless type) probably function on a very basic predatory manner, so they should exhibit predictable behavioral patterns that you could easily exploit. This also isn't the movies, so probably wouldn't have to worry about those random "ninja" zombies that somehow just appear out of thin air behind someone, without making a sound. Edit: I should also add that I'd prefer the buckler in most other scenarios, and if I got more comfortable/confidant fighting the undead I may end up using the buckler just for the smaller size, so I'm more agile whilst using it.I feel like I can generate more speed with a buckler if I'm using it for impact properties, and for some reason I just feel that extra travel distance somehow helps with impact. Plus the rigid handle as opposed to straps. But if these zombies throw rocks, reverting to primate reflexes, a nice big shield would be helpful. Zombies throwing rocks, I always wondered why they didn't do stuff like that. I feel like they would. If they have an instinct to flail arms, why not rocks or sticks?
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Post by Owlski on May 29, 2021 6:07:09 GMT
I feel like I can generate more speed with a buckler if I'm using it for impact properties, and for some reason I just feel that extra travel distance somehow helps with impact. Plus the rigid handle as opposed to straps. But if these zombies throw rocks, reverting to primate reflexes, a nice big shield would be helpful. Zombies throwing rocks, I always wondered why they didn't do stuff like that. I feel like they would. If they have an instinct to flail arms, why not rocks or sticks? You could probably generate more speed, but force of impact is also dictated by mass. I most likely wouldn't be rim bashing or using the buckler directly to smash them (at least not as the main focus), but more use the shield as a way to push them back to keep steady distance if they get too close, or (in the case with a buckler) use that to block or redirect their bite or general head, so I can deal with them effectively. Redirect the bite and bash/stab them in/around the temple. I'm not zombie expert (is there even such a thing? haha), but I'd imagine zombies wouldn't be using tools or doing even primitive things like throwing rocks, as they're supposed to be essentially shambling mindless corpses. They run on a very minimal primitive function which is to simply spread the infection/eat flesh. In the case of the former (spreading infection) it'd make sense, as a virus or bacteria that infects the host would want to try and spread itself to other hosts to ensure survival. Pretty much all organisms run on this base instinct, and it's only more creatures with higher intellect that use tools (some monkeys/gorillas, some species of birds (like crows), and (of course) us homosapiens).
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