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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 3:51:34 GMT
Traditionally, on the battlefield, you would take a shield, a sword and a spear. If your spear broke, you switched to swords. If your sword broke, you grabbed anything on the ground from the any of the dead guys, if you were lucky enough to grab it
But say you were over run by some form of monster or zombie, or rage infected people, would it make sense to carry a couple swords? I dunno how many swords you will find on the ground in this type of scenario. Seems like taking at least two or three swords would be a good idea. They are only like, 3lbs each, or less, and it gives you a chance to have all kinds for different scenarios.
How would you carry them? I got a backpack bass guitar bag that does a good job of keeping them all weather resistent and within reach.
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Post by Cos on May 9, 2021 12:54:00 GMT
Well in a perfect EotW zombie bug out I'd keep them in the back of my truck until I got to some static safe place. If I had to be on foot I'd probably carry one of my longswords, an axe and a hammer. It might be nice to have a bunch of options but that's already a good bit of weight to haul on top of whatever other gear I'd be carrying.
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Post by pgandy on May 9, 2021 13:14:16 GMT
Ideally I’d include a knife (preferably a kukri) tucked into my belt along with the spear, sword, and shield. If I felt the need to max out I’d include my katana with a back carry so as not to add more junk on my waist. Contrary to the argument I love the back carry method, in fact it’s a favourite of mine involving a katana. It is secure, out of the way and I have no problem drawing one with a 28½" blade. I have two videos to back that up.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on May 9, 2021 18:01:16 GMT
Two hands, two swords usable at one time, no shield needed, 'cause no arrows or other melee weapons. A third sword would be for a completely different situation. If attacked by a horde of zombies (fast or slow) I'd be afraid of something gripping my weapon, so sharp blades, double edged would be my choice. Mainz gladius x 2 with knuckle dusters and pommel spikes. A longer two handed sword for montante style perhaps.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 19:03:28 GMT
Cos: yea i was thinkkg I would want my Axe and spear as well. I feel like with the budget I spend on swords, they are likely to break on me often lol, so I would want a few
Pgandy: yea i like the back carry method for katana as well. Perfect length for drawing it from the back, it's nice and slender so you don't feel it, and it's a good sword to carry in such a discrete way
Andi: you have a point, as it's unlikely they are gonna be hurling rocks. Now I'm gonna have to rethink the shield 🤔
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Post by howler on May 9, 2021 20:22:56 GMT
For me, all carried weaponry must be utilitarian for everyday mundane tasks. Tomahawk (hand ax), large bowie (machete), one or two fighting utility knives with 5"-7" inch blades (can pry & baton), spear (can be used as walking stick).
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Post by Murffy on May 9, 2021 21:28:09 GMT
Much depends on how hard the prevailing zombies/monsters are to kill. Say a Walking Dead type zombie, I wonder if a spear would reliably penetrate the skull deep enough. It seems like the skull would just be knocked back and you wouldn't touch brains. I wonder if bladed weapons would tend to get stuck in bone, which would be a problem if you're dealing with several at once. I'm thinking a mace or war hammer with maybe a sizable kukri as a backup and a utility blade for chopping or brush clearing.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 21:37:40 GMT
Howler : I have had a hard time deciding on that. Utility is amazing, you would want a way to pry open doors, open canned food, and all that, but then, they don't always make the most effective weapon. What if these are fast rage type zombies, and the weapons you picked don't have enough killing power, or are too slow? I've contemplated this one for years
Murffy: doesn't necessarily have to be zombies. Personally I'm more into thinking a bloodborne style take over of monsters, silent hill or maybe even doom. Any scenario you prefer, really. If they were 28 days later style, a spear would be really useful
But if we're speaking just plain ol hit him in the head zombies, a hewing spear might do enough to damage the brain, even if the cut didn't make it in. Or you can throw it and pin at least one zombie to a wall 😂
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Post by howler on May 9, 2021 21:44:29 GMT
Much depends on how hard the prevailing zombies/monsters are to kill. Say a Walking Dead type zombie, I wonder if a spear would reliably penetrate the skull deep enough. It seems like the skull would just be knocked back and you wouldn't touch brains. I wonder if bladed weapons would tend to get stuck in bone, which would be a problem if you're dealing with several at once. I'm thinking a mace or war hammer with maybe a sizable kukri as a backup and a utility blade for chopping or brush clearing. You are right in determining what exactly is needed. You could just use a more robust stabby spear head, as they (spear heads) can vary quite a bit. Regarding zombies, durability of tool must be the name of the game.
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Post by howler on May 9, 2021 21:56:57 GMT
Howler : I have had a hard time deciding on that. Utility is amazing, you would want a way to pry open doors, open canned food, and all that, but then, they don't always make the most effective weapon. What if these are fast rage type zombies, and the weapons you picked don't have enough killing power, or are too slow? I've contemplated this one for years Murffy: doesn't necessarily have to be zombies. Personally I'm more into thinking a bloodborne style take over of monsters, silent hill or maybe even doom. Any scenario you prefer, really. If they were 28 days later style, a spear would be really useful But if we're speaking just plain ol hit him in the head zombies, a hewing spear might do enough to damage the brain, even if the cut didn't make it in. Or you can throw it and pin at least one zombie to a wall 😂 Yes, that's a balancing act. You have to select durability in areas that will minimally affect weapon effectiveness as well as tool utility. Thicker tip, reinforced tang, blade size & shape profile compromise. Either used as weapon or utility tool, you do not want the thing breaking. Robustness and versatility are big deals because you cannot replace items (particularly when zombies/bad guys are on you) and you can't carry a hardware store on your back (along with food, water, blankets, etc...), .
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 23:32:06 GMT
Howler : I have had a hard time deciding on that. Utility is amazing, you would want a way to pry open doors, open canned food, and all that, but then, they don't always make the most effective weapon. What if these are fast rage type zombies, and the weapons you picked don't have enough killing power, or are too slow? I've contemplated this one for years Murffy: doesn't necessarily have to be zombies. Personally I'm more into thinking a bloodborne style take over of monsters, silent hill or maybe even doom. Any scenario you prefer, really. If they were 28 days later style, a spear would be really useful But if we're speaking just plain ol hit him in the head zombies, a hewing spear might do enough to damage the brain, even if the cut didn't make it in. Or you can throw it and pin at least one zombie to a wall 😂 Yes, that's a balancing act. You have to select durability in areas that will minimally affect weapon effectiveness as well as tool utility. Thicker tip, reinforced tang, blade size & shape profile compromise. Either used as weapon or utility tool, you do not want the thing breaking. Robustness and versatility are big deals because you cannot replace items (particularly when zombies/bad guys are on you) and you can't carry a hardware store on your back (along with food, water, blankets, etc...), . That's one area I have a hard time figuring out. Which of my stuff do I consider most robust? Danu feels robust for sure, but not sure what kinds tool it would make 😂 spatula? I suppose if I had to, I can use it to dig as well, and it would probably work for processing wood if I really needed. It would bring sadness to me to do that though
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Post by joe_meadmaker on May 10, 2021 1:12:38 GMT
I don't know if I would carry a spear. I don't think trying to hold a zombie attacker at a distance would work very well. The range is good as long as your attack is on target. But if the spear attack is missed, the zombie will be right on top of you.
I would definitely go for the shield. That's a handheld barrier between you and the zombie. Just make sure it's a center grip or something that can be let go of easily in case the zombie grabs onto it. I would want a fairly short and hefty sword. Something that would cut, but also have some impact force behind a strike. Probably an axe too as a secondary weapon. I'd let the zombie come in close and stick the shield right in its face, then go for a leg with the sword. Won't kill it, but if you take out its ability to walk or run, it should be pretty easy to finish off (or get away).
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 1:23:03 GMT
I don't know if I would carry a spear. I don't think trying to hold a zombie attacker at a distance would work very well. The range is good as long as your attack is on target. But if the spear attack is missed, the zombie will be right on top of you. I would definitely go for the shield. That's a handheld barrier between you and the zombie. Just make sure it's a center grip or something that can be let go of easily in case the zombie grabs onto it. I would want a fairly short and hefty sword. Something that would cut, but also have some impact force behind a strike. Probably an axe too as a secondary weapon. I'd let the zombie come in close and stick the shield right in its face, then go for a leg with the sword. Won't kill it, but if you take out its ability to walk or run, it should be pretty easy to finish off (or get away). What if it's a hewing spear held in both hands? I agree about the shield. It's what I was thinking too. Worst case scenario, and you are backed into a spot with a shield sized culvert, you could at least go in there and hold the shield maybe. Or at least if it's flailing wildly you can give it something to hit I wish my shield was center gripped for that reason, to be let go of easy, but the shield strap makes me feel like it would be better for tackling a zombie down. Like a footballer when he runs and shoves people off him. Paired with a gladius type sword, or a Celtic leaf blade, and a helmet, he has a good thing going for him He is me 😎
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Post by pgandy on May 10, 2021 2:01:06 GMT
What if it's a hewing spear held in both hands? When I said spear in my post I was referring a hand held spear. I’m not about to throw my weapon away. I was taught otherwise.
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Post by joe_meadmaker on May 10, 2021 3:06:43 GMT
Yep, I completely agree that if a spear is being used in this scenario, it should not be thrown. Let me try to clarify what I meant in my other post. Against a human opponent, you can use a spear's length as an advantage by thrusting or slashing to keep the person at a distance. I don't think this would work against a zombie. I think the zombie would come right at you with no regard for its own safety. So with a spear you would get the advantage of a longer reach, but holding the attacker at a distance would not work. You would likely only get one opportunity when the zombie came within range, and it would close in if your attack didn't strike well.
I'm not meaning to dismiss a spear as an option. I think it could still work well in this situation. It does give a longer reach. It just wouldn't be my first choice.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 3:36:16 GMT
Yep, I completely agree that if a spear is being used in this scenario, it should not be thrown. Let me try to clarify what I meant in my other post. Against a human opponent, you can use a spear's length as an advantage by thrusting or slashing to keep the person at a distance. I don't think this would work against a zombie. I think the zombie would come right at you with no regard for its own safety. So with a spear you would get the advantage of a longer reach, but holding the attacker at a distance would not work. You would likely only get one opportunity when the zombie came within range, and it would close in if your attack didn't strike well. I'm not meaning to dismiss a spear as an option. I think it could still work well in this situation. It does give a longer reach. It just wouldn't be my first choice. Honestly, it might function better if used as a quarterstaff in that case haha. Which is still a good weapon
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Post by howler on May 10, 2021 3:44:53 GMT
I don't know if I would carry a spear. I don't think trying to hold a zombie attacker at a distance would work very well. The range is good as long as your attack is on target. But if the spear attack is missed, the zombie will be right on top of you. I would definitely go for the shield. That's a handheld barrier between you and the zombie. Just make sure it's a center grip or something that can be let go of easily in case the zombie grabs onto it. I would want a fairly short and hefty sword. Something that would cut, but also have some impact force behind a strike. Probably an axe too as a secondary weapon. I'd let the zombie come in close and stick the shield right in its face, then go for a leg with the sword. Won't kill it, but if you take out its ability to walk or run, it should be pretty easy to finish off (or get away). You can pull the spear back as fast as a lizard flicks its tongue, and thus use as short spear, provided you are not backed up against a wall or the zombie does not grab the shaft (not an easy thing to do), in which case you should have quick access to a long knife/short sword on belt or chest for secondary attack/defense.
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Post by howler on May 10, 2021 3:51:46 GMT
Yep, I completely agree that if a spear is being used in this scenario, it should not be thrown. Let me try to clarify what I meant in my other post. Against a human opponent, you can use a spear's length as an advantage by thrusting or slashing to keep the person at a distance. I don't think this would work against a zombie. I think the zombie would come right at you with no regard for its own safety. So with a spear you would get the advantage of a longer reach, but holding the attacker at a distance would not work. You would likely only get one opportunity when the zombie came within range, and it would close in if your attack didn't strike well. I'm not meaning to dismiss a spear as an option. I think it could still work well in this situation. It does give a longer reach. It just wouldn't be my first choice. Honestly, it might function better if used as a quarterstaff in that case haha. Which is still a good weapon Spears are good slicing against unarmored humans, but against the dead I'd almost exclusively thrust with a spear. Almost impossible to grab and you can re strike VERY quickly. The only real thing worth cutting on a zombie are the fingers trying to grab you, and you would almost need something heavy like a pole-arm to chop off hands or get to the brain. Swinging spears can be grabbed (and broken) easier.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 4:43:21 GMT
Excellent point on both times, howler. Sadly, my hewing spear is pretty heavy lol so it would be quite slower.
I do have my cold steel assegai. Got that one on a broomstick for throwing. That one would be really fast
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on May 10, 2021 5:15:56 GMT
Ah, zombie acopalypse threads are so big fun! I just ordered a APOC broadsword and tac cat for exactly this thread. (and a Bat'leth letter opener as a backup weapon)
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